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  1. wattie

    Salvation by works

    Yes, so the verses about having consequences for our unfaithfulness.. well God will obviously rebuke and admonish and prompt us through His Holy Spirit when we fall into sin. This is where Romans 6 comes in. But the fact remains that the sin is still covered by Jesus. The consequence is...
  2. wattie

    Salvation by works

    Grace compels a believer to be faithful to Jesus. So a believer would have a high chance of doing good works as the 'reasonable service'. The thing though, is salvation by grace thru faith in Jesus is the root of salvation. The root of it has no works involved. It is pure and simply believing...
  3. wattie

    What is a church?

    Yeah that's a better way of putting it. Jesus is the Head.. the rock
  4. wattie

    What is a church?

    Himself. Or the testimony of Peter as Jesus being the Christ.
  5. wattie

    What is a church?

    From Pastor Jack Hyles: https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Books/Dr%20Jack%20Hyles/The%20Church/what_is_a_church-chap_2.htm Jesus was building one of the following when He started the church. 1. a church consisting of all believers. 2. a denomination. 3...
  6. wattie

    What is a church?

    The fact in Revelation is whole churches being called to repent. These churches earlier in the NT consisted of saved and baptised membership. The nicolatians had teaching that some in the church held, but is it that the nicolatians were part of one of these churches? The Ephesians church...
  7. wattie

    What is a church?

    The whole world group of believers is not a church yet. That will happen... But isn't a current entity. They will assemble as one in the New Jerusalem eventually. But we don't have that yet.
  8. wattie

    What is a church?

    What these authors are showing in scripture isn't that all redeemed aren't an entity in themselves. They show that all redeemed is in the Family of God. Not the body of Christ which scripture describes as local. See what the body is in 1co 12.
  9. wattie

    What is a church?

    There is more to his article..this is just an excerpt. Plus there are other authors I can show saying the same thing
  10. wattie

    What is a church?

    From Arthur Pink: https://awpink.org/2020/06/17/the-churches-of-god-1-thess-214/ In proof of what has been said above, let us examine those passages where the term was used by our Lord Himself during the days of His flesh. Only twice in the four Gospels do we find Christ speaking of the...
  11. wattie

    What is a church?

    1 co 12 description of the body of Christ IS the church at Corinth. So is each local body God gives His presence to
  12. wattie

    What is a church?

    Yeah very similar to independent Baptist except on baptism
  13. wattie

    What is a church?

    Right, so which body is in question? Because 1 co 12 is about the church at Corinth
  14. wattie

    What is a church?

    It's weird.. we have pretty much the same doctrine on spiritual gifts and the church.. except on the major one.. salvation. I guess you belong to a church of christ congregation?
  15. wattie

    What is a church?

    The 'calling out' .. is from their homes to a meeting. That's how an ecclessia worked in biblical times. It was a meeting. It is true that a local body of believers doesn't always physically meet every day.. so they can be unassembled that way.. but they do assemble. The church at...
  16. wattie

    What is a church?

    As to......... "Baptized" has nothing to do with it. "Born Again" by FAITH, and indwelled by the Holy Spirit, is what makes a person a Christian I am not talking about the entity of all born again believers.. but the local body of believers. So baptism isn't part of salvation.. but it is a...
  17. wattie

    What is a church?

    Looking just from the bible, there are key things a church is and isn't . Is.... an assembly of baptised believers, with Jesus as the Head. Covenants together to carry out the Great commission and commandment. Isn't ...the building this group would meet at. Is... assembled Isn't ...
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    Are there other beings called gods and there would still be one God (the Father) that there is no other god beside Him.

    'ye are gods' ... Jesus is talking about judges or magistrates in this line.
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    social torture

    Yeah, I've done alot of jobs and most older people I know think Im in the same job from years ago.
  20. wattie

    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Yea true, I wasn't quite right on that. People can be saved by believing on Jesus knowing He can save them without fully knowing He is fully God. They just need to know they are a sinner and need deliverance. He does the rest. People may not get read the books bible who get converted. But...