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Show how 1 co 12 ISN'T of the church at Corinth.

Here is the problem: baptism of the Holy Spirit is being equated with salvation. So those who believe in baptism for salvation can easily bring up verses that show baptism.. and it gets mixed up between the two sides discussing this. 1 co 12:13 is not Holy Spirit baptism... that is water...

https://www.meridianmbc.org/universal-vs-local-church/4586742800 A universal spiritual assembly of all redeemed just isn't a current entity. It will be an entity of one body in heaven..but isn't that yet.

Okay..before going onto other passages.. the book of John is about receiving eternal life. How is it done? By believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. That He is God...died and rose again, and whoever believes in Him will have everlasting life. That is the message of salvation all through the...

Yes... immersion in water.

And entire group receiving the Holy Spirit is not the same thing as individual indwelling..for a start.

Again, the book of John is about knowing you have eternal life and it barely mentions baptism at all. It is through belief in Jesus as God and Saviour that eternal life is given. Not by immersion in water. Immersion in water is the picture of the salvation act ..not the means of the...

Jesus' blood covers my sin. I can't go to hell now. But I can be disciplined and rebuked and even have my life taken by God to stop my sin affecting others.

Like I was typing to cameron.. by medicating the pain.. I didn't Jesus mean wasn't involved.. I was just saying it was the pain underlying that Jesus can heal. Addressing the root of the problem.. the sin of it.. rather than the symptoms is the way.

By talking about medicating the pain.. I meant it was Jesus that heals the pain. I was just showing it is the pain underlying that is the issue.. and that filters and that don't address that.

Yea it used to be harder to get. No devices to use before the late 90s. Now ..it's too easy. Although my cell phone has a good filter that I can't turn off.

Well filters can help a little, but if I put it on I can also turn the filter off. But it is what the pain is that I have medicated with this stuff that is the key thing. The filters don't address the pain..but if effective prevent the wrong kind of medicine.

Yeah.. mine is lust. The battle against adult content on the internet. Been a very long struggle. It has hampered my growth big time.

I do define an assembly that way. But for Catholics they have each visible individual person in one huge mass of all Catholics. So it's universal, visible that way. You can see that way being described in the likes of Real Churches or a Fog by S E Anderson or My Church..by J Moody

Well Catholics have a universal VISIBLE church. Protestants have a universal, invisible church. Universal, invisible... came out of Catholicism teaching. It is true independent Baptists are strongly against Catholicism. But the denial of a universal church is both the Catholic and Protestant...

They would usually be convinced from the bible it's true because it goes against popular views of the body of Christ. Therefore, they would usually make sure it is scriptural. But understand... I am not saying if you aren't in the body of Christ you aren't converted. Entering the Family of God...

Of course there are also thousands of churches around the world that believe as I do :) That doesn't make it right. But the majority of those people were convinced from the bible, that what I am showing is true.

Well if it was as an infant...that has nothing to do with baptism shown in the bible. And then if the church you are in is wayward on the gospel, they don't have the authority to baptise

Matthew 16:20-- Jesus building His church. This would be a local congregation in question.. the institution of the local church.. because it's local in Matthew 18:20. Why would Jesus introduce the church one way.. and then contradict Himself later? In Matthew 18:20-- this church can be spoken...

oops I meant-- baptised once. Re-baptism is only if you were baptised as an infant or in a wayward church