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  1. wattie

    can someone explain why do we christians say Jesus is God himself

    Jesus claimed to give eternal life to whoever believes in Him. Jesus has power over sin. Jesus claimed equality with God the Father. Jesus rose from the grave and accepts worship. Jesus was called 'immanuel'. Meaning 'God with us' Jesus saw Phillip before Phillip saw Him in person. The OT...
  2. wattie

    social torture

    Yeah I remember doing student teacher training for two years. I didn't really know how to hold the classes attention of 30 kids. I ended up failing the practical placement in my 2nd year. I might be okay at it now I'm 20 years older, but I don't like what they are teaching in public schools.
  3. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    Yeah, the original catholic creed differs very little at all from orthodox christianity. The main difference is having 'they holy catholic church' but aside from that.. the tenets to declare may as well be Methodist, Anglican or Presbyterian. Although, Methodist, Anglican and Presbyterian...
  4. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    The sense in which Jesus is one with the Father is not the same as believers being one with the Father. Jesus is the Word ..and all things were created thru Him. Cant say that about us believers. His oneness is at a different level
  5. wattie

    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Hopefully this thread also challenges those on this site who believe Jesus is a lesser being than the Father. Personally, I don't get how people that lower Jesus' diety on this site remain members of it. Its central to receiving salvation
  6. wattie

    God's Eternal Life Insurance!

    Yes, giving back to the Freedom Giver. That's the motive to serve after salvation. Not because you fear losing eternal life. Romans 6
  7. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    Yes Jesus does have that authority from the Father. He is subject to the Father. Does that make Jesus a lesser being? Jesus still can forgive sin... Has power of it. No other being has that power. I could forgive you of an offense to me...but Jesus would forgive both of us.. without either...
  8. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    From Jesus: John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Forgiving sin: Luke 5:19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let...
  9. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    Well, it is the Father AND Jesus sending the Comforter: Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for...
  10. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    Okay well, looking at scripture, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit... How can any being send the Holy Spirit without being fully God? And in regard to agency.. Just compare that with other scripture showing Jesus giving eternal life, accepting worship and forgiving sin. So a passage of scripture...
  11. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    Yes... So what about the Jewish concept of agency. 'The agent is as the man himself.' The agents message has the same weight as the originator. So if Jesus does things 'by the hand of the Father ' .. that's a thinly veiled claim to deity. That's the way the Pharisees and Scribes saw Jesus...
  12. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    Ye are god's...small g... Is about god's as in judges, magistrates. That's the context of that verse. But Jesus accepts worship.. Not just from like a servant to a king.. but from the king's themselves. Jesus forgives sin of those who haven't directly offended him.. eg John steals from Peter...
  13. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    You've gotta put these verses in their right context. Compare for example other verses that call Jesus God. Eg.. Emmanuel... meaning God with us. Or when Thomas declares Jesus to be his God. Yahshua taking the scroll out of the hand of the Father.. doesn't mean Yahshua is unequal or...
  14. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    The Kingdom of God and the church.. are different entities. The church -- ecclessia.. is means 'called out'. Jesus and His disciples had all the work of the first New Testament church. The church-- like 'the dog'..... 'the cat'.... 'the horse' is singular standing for plural churches...
  15. wattie

    The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    Greater as in position.. Jesus was not in heaven.. the Father was at the time. Jesus ascended to be one with the Father a bit later. This is not a verse about the Father being a greater being.
  16. wattie

    Some Truths Are Uncomfortable

    Yeah I haven't understood what virtue signalling is until recently. Its like the Mary Sue or Karen as they are called (although many women who are fine Godly women have these names) Pointing out all the social injustice and present themselves as flawless...but underneath can be black as the ace...
  17. wattie

    Some Truths Are Uncomfortable

    A saved person can struggle in their walk it happens. People get caught up in sin..it happens. God wants obedience and love from us after conversion but it's not guaranteed to happen. We are commanded to follow after Jesus, but we gotta be converted first b4 we can do it. How many biblical...
  18. wattie

    Some Truths Are Uncomfortable

    Yeah, well there is a difference between someone saved, and not committed.. and a christian. As controversial as that sounds.. someone can be genuinely saved but following the world due to weeds growing up in their walk. In my dad's case though.. he did say he was much more of an idealist...
  19. wattie

    Some Truths Are Uncomfortable

    Yeah, I've had a lot of grief with my dad who died in 2012. One of my brothers who is Christian thinks dad is in heaven. But dad didn't believe in Jesus. He rejected Jesus as God and Messiah. The only thing is that does make me wonder though is he had a lot of peace in his last days and...
  20. wattie

    'Turning from sin'

    At the heart of this discussion is, at salvation what do you trust in? Trusting in 'turning from sin' 'commiting your life to Christ ' 'making Him Lord of your life'... Or trusting in Jesus Christ alone , by grace alone , thru faith alone. So is it trusting in what you are doing.. or what...