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Here is among the times where you see water baptism done straight after being converted. So salvation and baptism get put in the same verse. The other thing is when you go to the Greek, word order doesn't matter as much as an English. So salvation can still be the first thing that happened...

Following commands.. believers fail in very often. Acts of service to God after being saved we waver in. We can do them of course.. and God wants us to do them.. but He knows we can't do them 100 percent. Romans 6-- also isn't about water baptism. This is the work of regeneration of the...

You are referencing the Holy Spirit empowering a church here AND water baptism. Acts 2.. at Pentecost.. is a group of already saved believers being empowered. The disciples were surely saved before they had the Holy Spirit come 'in the midst' of them. You gotta seperate the different types...

As per the link I'm going to post: 'for' .. in the Greek is 'eis'.. which can mean 'in reference to'... like 'regarding' .. it isn't a conditional clause thing where the absence of the water baptism means the person is unsaved. There are other verses that have remission of sin WITHOUT baptism...

Weeell.. they have full immersion baptism for believers. They even have baptism to become a member of the church.. which is the mark of an independent baptist church.. but in the late 80s I think.. they took on pentecostal beliefs and became quite charismatic and quite subjective in their...

Yea there is a church here that has the baptist name.. used to be Spreydon Baptist.. we called it 'sprayed on' Baptist. :)

Weeell.. for a start, most of the book of John has no water baptism and is about assuring believers have eternal life, are saved. The next thing is.. passages like you have put forward need to be put alongside passages in John. This is where water baptism becomes the picture of what has...

I am independent baptist. We let the bible interpret itself.. take it as it is. Baptism in the New Testament has two kinds. One is figurative. This is where you see a whole group of believers being 'baptised' with the Holy Spirit. This is a local church being empowered.. and in Acts is when...

The point is.. when we talk about 'the church' We gotta define what that it is first. It's not enough just to say 'the church needs to address poverty ' Which church? Every believer.. as an entity can do nothing. It doesn't meet, has no ordinances, commands nothing. So it would be...

I realized the flaw in the logic with both a local assembly and all believers still being added to. But .. a local assembly does assemble.. they are called out from their homes to a congregation of saved, baptised believers. So it is complete as a church. Even though added to. All...

Believers that go to be with the Lord.. go to heaven.. yes. But all believers aren't there yet assembled together. That won't happen till the New Jerusalem. And so I don't believe in a universal, invisible assembly. Because it is not completely assembled. It isn't one body yet. To the...

The NT describes 'church' as an ecclessia.. which means congregation or assembly. Every believer at this time.. does not assemble. Not as one body. The body is described in 1 Corinthians 12 and Paul calls the local body at Corinth.. the Body of Christ. It's defined by assembly and...

In Acts.. God adding to church.. the church in question is the church at Jerusalem. Local and visible. Paul persecuted the church of God. Was that every believer? No... the church at Jerusalem. Paul persecuted no other. The local and visible church is all there is at this time. All...

OSAS .. does not equal calvinism . That is the common misconception that if you don't believe salvation can be lossed.. then you are calvinist. I agree with absolutely anyone being given eternal life by being convicted by the Holy Spirit and then believing in Jesus. That He is God.. that...

Well runningman was never upfront about what he believed about Jesus ' deity. The impression I got is he believed Jesus to be son of God.. but not equal with the Father. Altho some things he posted seemed to show Jesus is equal. Imo if you deny Jesus' deity on a Christian forum then...

It's something I don't get at the moment is alot of people thinking water baptism is part of receiving eternal life. Having water baptism for receiving eternal life is the mark of a non Christian religion. A cult in the negative sense of being a cult. Yet it is getting more and more common

Its taking me a long time to over it. At least now I'm sure I'm clear to find someone new since she found someone and got a house with them.

Right.. so I was prepared to reset as you say.. but my wife.. not so much. If she wasn't happy.. she would leave, that was the constant threat.

I think it's real important to know the person you want to marry very well. Not sleeping with them, but knowing if you can see past their problems. For myself and my ex wife we couldn't do that. I found her too finicky.. she found me too aloof. I didn't want divorce, but to grow into the...

Yeah denying the deity of Christ is getting to the heart of the giving of salvation