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Yes God wants us to do good works. But gives eternal life without condition so we can actually do good works! Without unconditional love we can't do good works that God would consider right. If we fail in trying to do good works... God stays with us. It's not a conditional work contract but...

For the gazzionth time.. 'he who endures to the end shall be saved will be saved' is about trials and tribulation... not eternal salvation.. that is the context. Working out your salvation with fear and trembling. Context is not about eternal salvation but what you do with your faith...

No one is talking about slacking off after being saved! Most believers I know who adhere to osas are very faithful! Why? Because they are at peace, secure! You are talking works based salvation big time man. That's not Christian salvation.

Hehe! Too right! Well.. uh.. then just call it a nickname eh. :)

Well, if a believer HAS to do good works or is not saved, you are talking a works based conditional contract with no underlying unconditional love. The verses I mentioned are what takes it away from conditional salvation to a free gift.. not by works. Are you sure you aren't mixing up the...

Also this is to do with rejecting the means of which salvation is given rather than something a believer does. A believer could curse God after saved. But that wouldn't be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, since that was done by Pharisees

There are different works of the Holy Spirit. In the OT He was empowering the Israel kings as a position under God. Not every king was actually converted .. saved... but had the Holy Spirit blessing their position. In the NT the Holy Spirit came 'upon' 'in the midst' and 'indwelt' Upon...

Yeah I was trying to be understanding... but it's true what you say

Oops.. bondage, not bandage removed by Jesus. :)

The main thing that seems to happen in osas v not osas threads is the accusation on the osas supporter they are teaching a license to sin. I think this comes from a good place in people wanting someone to be faithful to Jesus continually and not slack off. The thing is though.. how does a...

If a group is empowered by the Holy Spirit.. which was called baptism for what happened in Acts.. This group was already saved... first point Second... if a group is baptized.. do each individual in the group get the same experience? I would contend when a group is baptized it has nothing to...

Huh? All of scripture speaks of Jesus being equal with the Father. Therefore when Jesus says the Father is greater it means something OTHER than superiority.

Remember.. 'the Father is greater than I' .. this isn't Jesus saying the Father is superior. Jesus, after saying this.. ascends to be one with the Father.. equal. The Father was greater in position. Not an ontologically superior being. I can say the president is greater than me.. he is in...

Gotta be wary of counterfiets. Peter Popoff would speak about audience members in his 'service' .. knowing exactly their ailments and name... that he didn't know before the event. This looks like supernatural knowledge being given.. The problem? His wife was feeding information to him...

The block I have, is in persons..I visualize seperate beings. In heaven I believe we will see one being... God and not the Father, Son and Holy Spirit separately. That's the trouble I have with the term persons. The 3 may be distinct manifestations of God... but they are not seperate...

Yes Jesus will correct and quicken a believer who falls into sin. But He isn't going to undo His covering of their sin underlying it all. Eternal salvation is unconditional...only by believing. A life salvaged to God is the daily salvation God wants, but doesn't drop and leave us if we fail.

Jesus does save someone eternally the moment they believe in Him. Look at Roman's 10, John 3:16, 5:24, 3:36, 10:28, Roman's 5:8. From this, after salvation being delivered, there will be fruit from the person being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Now... this doesn't mean they will always now be...

Wattie for me is short for my surname Watson:)

Of course there are false converts.. but works have zip zero nadda to do with initial salvation.

Ah..thanks.. but i ain't no ma'am:)