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  1. wattie

    Trinity or Unity

    I don't really see anywhere in the bible of men becoming God. In heaven we will be without sin.. but the bible doesn't call us God. Begotten.. also doesn't mean 'born out of' .. or 'not existing before'..... this is more like heirdom.. Jesus as the 'Supreme Heir'. This is because Jesus...
  2. wattie

    Trinity or Unity

    Not so much.. God is all three at the same time.. not changing from one to the other. It is trinitarianism. .I just don't like calling them 'persons' because it makes me think of seperate beings, when they are one God.
  3. wattie

    Trinity or Unity

    Going to the Bible itself is the thing. What does it say in context? Revelation has Jesus calling Himself the alpha and omega.. which is full diety.. a term for the Father..equality with the Father. Then Jesus speaks to the churches which is also the Spirit speaking. At the beginning of John...
  4. wattie

    Justification by faith alone, anathema?

    Yea.. Their is acts of service approved unto God.. that make a 'just ' faith. A 'justified ' work. This is separate from initial belief in Jesus as God and Saviour. Initial salvation isn't a commitment to good works.. or turning from sin through self effort.. it's belief in Jesus first...
  5. wattie

    Justification by faith alone, anathema?

    Again for the millionth time.. James' faith without works is dead'... don't put the verse on it's own! Context around this is acts of service in response to previously being converted. Abraham wasn't eternally saved when he offered up his son Isaac.. he was saved by belief in God earlier. The...
  6. wattie

    What is your opinion about the "Historical Jesus"?

    Yea ... what about the probable brown eyes and ruddy complexion? Not sure the nose looks Jewish either :)
  7. wattie

    What is your opinion about the "Historical Jesus"?

    This is covered by the likes of The Case for Christ and Evidence that Demands a Verdict. Those who have seperated the Christ of the bible from the Christ of history have not been fair in comparing other texts with the bible. They have been saying things like Caesar is a real person and what is...
  8. wattie

    Once saved always saved?

    It is still a very unlikely thing to happen.. but not impossible. Every believer has free will. I could technically just go and murder someone tomorrow. Of course Jesus would draw a believer from evil ways.. rebuke, admonishing etc... that us why it shouldnt really happen. BUT.. The believer...
  9. wattie

    Once saved always saved?

    It is not impossible for a believer to become the opposite type of person, because of free will. Any one of us.. could just join a cult.. murder some one... steal something etc.. because we have the ability to choose. The thing is this is very unlikely because the Holy Spirit speaks to our...
  10. wattie

    Once saved always saved?

    Because of free will , a believer could technically become an atheist ..and their salvation remains.. The salvation remains because the initial salvation had nothing to do with good behavior.. but belief in Jesus. John 3:16, 5:24, 3:36.. Romans 5:8.. Ephesians 2:8-9. But they would be...
  11. wattie

    Working out : Your Salvation

    Hebrews 10 is primarily about animal sacrifice. So 'if we sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins'.. The Hebrew believer can no longer go and sacrifice an animal .. but they are to look unto Jesus the ultimate Lamb.. who Has done away with the old system of sacrifices.
  12. wattie

    Working out : Your Salvation

    Oh.. and when Jesus said He would baptise with the Holy Spirit.. this wasn't for giving eternal salvation.. this was empowering a church.. for a corporate local church.. they were baptised ..but it was for empowerment.. 'upon' ... not 'indwelling'
  13. wattie

    Working out : Your Salvation

    I fully agree with : Thus, Under Mystery/Grace, "But Now" faith (not "+ water works") is For Forgiveness of sins, and possessing Eternal Life, And: Works are "for rewards" When we are "Judged By Christ" (1Co 3:8-15) Amen! John 5:24, 3:36, 3:16-- being given eternal life seperate from any...
  14. wattie

    Former pentecostal

    Alrighty.. point one.. on the visions and dreams.. (Joel 2:28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (Joel 2:29) And also upon the...
  15. wattie

    "The Spiritual Resurrection Of...

    Weeeeell... The body of Christ Akin to 'the bar' 'the horse' 'the school' Its not a building but it is a local small c church. What entity has every believer? The Kingdom and the Family The body of Christ ain't the same thing!
  16. wattie

    Former pentecostal

    So he'll be there with each of you individually.. but 'in the midst of you all' is a different story Church also not meaning a building but the members of a church gathered to resolve a sin issue
  17. wattie

    Former pentecostal

    I'm not so I'm agreement with you on water baptism but there was Saint worship, rituals to earn salvation and on bishop over multiple congregations going on early
  18. wattie

    Former pentecostal

    Okay.. well I'll have a look at what you mean. Blessings.
  19. wattie

    Former pentecostal

    It's just reading context. You know this. Like 'where two or three are gathered in my name there I am with them'... primary application is the process of resolving sin disputes in a church. People though use the verse by itself to say Jesus is with 2 or 3 christians gathered anywhere. Same...
  20. wattie

    Former pentecostal

    Weeeell.. anything Jesus says to the disciples is for them at that time unless it is clear there is no limitation to it in the future or it is clear Jesus is referring to a different future time. So for eg... The prophecy of people dreaming dreams and having visions..etc gets mostly fulfilled...