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I see now. You are gender-prejudiced, and so you project your gender-prejudice onto me, which is the M.O. of every bitter person in the world, much like the racial bigots who judge everything by the bigotry they see the world from (much like every time something happens, they cry "racism!"). In...

There is a systemic deception in the whole movement. Please read my "brass tacks" objection to the movement here and tell me what you think: https://christianchat.com/threads/pentecostalisms-sketchy-origins.199418/post-4832221

You're acting like someone who speaks with his fingers in his ears. I suggest reading my "brass tacks" objection to the movement here: https://christianchat.com/threads/pentecostalisms-sketchy-origins.199418/post-4832221

No. I take it to read that Paul spoke in tongues and understood what he said at the same time - in prayer or singing. I take your response as yet another bias in your mind based on traditional P/C teaching, the "tongues bypasses the mind" nonsense. Indeed, modern tongues does that, since it...

I suggest reading my "brass tacks" objection to the movement here: https://christianchat.com/threads/pentecostalisms-sketchy-origins.199418/post-4832221

You're acting like someone who speaks with his fingers in his ears. I suggest reading my "brass tacks" objection to the movement here: https://christianchat.com/threads/pentecostalisms-sketchy-origins.199418/post-4832221

The problem with your narrative is that it's based on P/C bias, not on the original intent of scripture. Just because the procedure looks right to scripture, doesn't mean the act is from God. Please read my "brass tacks" objection to the movement here...

My objection to the P/C movement, to the brass tacks: What I find wrong with the Pentecostal/Charismatic (P/C) movement (that is, the modern 'tongues' movement) is evidenced by two things: (1) the obvious difference between modern tongues and Biblical tongues, and (2) the misinterpretation of...

Ok, so how then do you explain the obvious difference between modern tongues and Acts 2?

It was a question, but you take it in the worst possible way, as a judgment and insult. But since you demand that I show you a Christlike spirit, where is yours? Jesus commanded us all to forgive our brother (or sister) from the heart. Where is your forgiving spirit? (I've yet to see it).

Our paths diverge here. I disagree with your assessment. Paul clearly stated "I will pray in the Spirit, and pray with my mind also." He would not have said this, if it wasn't both his experience and his practice. Therefore, your statement doesn't have a leg to stand on. I think you...

Yet I was told it wasn't fake, I've heard many speaking the same gibberish, every youtube video of tongues is gibberish (not language), no one claiming to have the authentic gift will submit it for examination, among other things, tells me it's all the same, so it's all fake.

Yet, many people looking from the outside of the movement are saying there's something wrong with the picture. So it's a sore thumb. Just because it gives you pleasure to suck on it, doesn't make it authentic. Numerous times I requested some evidential proof (beyond someone's anecdote), but no...

Precisely, and IMO all modern tongues are the same thing. It's "modern" because the movement started in the 19th Century. And it's "modern" to distinguish it from "Biblical" because it's not the same thing.

I do rejoice in the truth and in the Spirit. I wholeheartedly agree with 1 Cor. 13:6. But my response to you was because you seemed to be very dogmatic about your belief, as if you don't want to talk about it. As if spewing religious jargon was going to intimidate me. Was that your intention?

These discussions are for hashing out the details in order to get clear about what the Bible means by what it says. If people can't be corrected about their interpretation of scripture, it's their problem. So you say "This is all a hoax." - that's what the OP is actually about, saying that the...

Then why do you keep responding? Are you demanding the "last word"?

Sounds like you're dead right.

It's a ghost elephant, because I don't see a problem with it. Obviously, when Paul talked about a language being unknown, he has received a report that someone in the service (probably more than once) spoke in tongues, and no one in the congregation understood it. Very possibly, he experienced...

You're not exegeting the text. Your terse response indicates that you demand that I read it with Pentecostal bias like you do. This type of response goes nowhere.