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Typical response from someone with a sacred cow. Ok, then, keep it a secret for you and your four and no more.

It's because they are trying to make their experience something it's not.

Did you miss the point? He didn't say his mind was unfruitful for 20 years.

Ok, but what does that have to do with tongues?

You're not saying anything here. Quote scripture you think I don't understand!!

No, that is what you said by implication. Let me quote what you said: The conversation we are having is about modern tongues, whether or not it is of God. In this context, you are trying to promote it with the words "filled with the Holy Spirit" - are you not doing this? If not, then please...

Blah, blah. You still aren't quoting the scripture, and your words prove nothing. Either modern tongues is of God as it was in Acts 2, or it's not. You say it is, I say it isn't.

Sorry to butt in on your response to CV5, but I felt a need to answer this. I thought I explained this earlier, but I'll say it differently. Paul did not say his mind was unfruitful for 20 years, that's conjecture. But he said if he speaks in an unknown tongue with no interpreter, his mind is...

1 Thes. 5:21 "But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good." For you to suggest that your 'gift' cannot be examined tells me that you have a sacred cow. And I know that your tongues is not a human language, since I was in the P/C movement for 25 years, and that's what they...

I could say the same thing about you. I could say to you - "study the Bible!" but such statements go nowhere. Get to specifics. Quote a verse you think contradicts what I'm saying, and then let me respond as to why it doesn't contradict what I'm saying. Is an intelligent conversation possible...

I saw that test. The reason it's not associated with speech is because IT'S NOT LANGUAGE, and therefore CONVEYS NO MESSAGE. It's merely gibberish, random syllables. It's a human phenomenon, which has been done since before B.C. in pagan religions.

I've found that this subject is far more controversial and divisive than almost anything else. It is a poorly understood issue, because it was assumed from the git-go that it was of God because of its mysterious nature. Even respected evangelical theologians are being persuaded to accept it...

I'm merely responding to you, answering your objections. If you want me to leave it alone, then you leave it alone. You're contradicting yourself, since your earlier response showed that you did expect it. I'm merely answering your objections. If you want me to drop it, then you drop it.

I gave the scripture reference, and am describing it the same as the Acts 2 narrative. Yet you call it "human reasoning." So my reasoning is "human" and yours is "spiritual"? You don't think that's a double standard? If you think my reasoning is wrong, then quote scripture and explain it to...

So then, are you trying to tell me that someone who doesn't speak in tongues is not filled with the Holy Spirit?

Our paths diverge, because I say it right back to you. I have no doubt you strongly believe in what you're doing. But your advice-giving is rather hypocritical, because you won't take my advice either, even though it was merely an answer to your question.

I've no doubt you really believe in it, and so you think you know something. But Paul wrote "he who thinks he knows something doesn't yet know as he ought to know." So your "if" statement is not even a response to what I said earlier. I said that I once practiced modern tongues, and I was...

You missed the point. Modern tongues is human in source, therefore is not of God. You haven't received the Biblical gift of tongues, that's my point. Your statement "we speak what we know" is rather arrogant from my POV, because it appears to me you don't know what you're talking about.

No, that is not what I said, so this is your false conclusion about it. Men speaking to God fits with the Acts 2 narrative. They were speaking the mighty things of God, but they were speaking to God. The fact that men heard (and understood) what they were speaking doesn't mean they were...

Acts 2 describes a real and obvious miracle. But modern tongues hides behind secrecy and urban legend. I'm not asking the Holy Spirit to put on a useless show. I'm asking P/Cs to present their so-called "gift" for examination. The reason why it is so controversial is because of the prejudices...