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I differ with you on this. God revealed many things to unbelievers in scripture. But why don't I send your words back to you, by saying - God won't reveal the humanness of modern tongues to you because you refuse to admit that you could be wrong about it. If what I'm saying is true, then you're...

It's the Biblical precedent that defines all other places tongues is mentioned. No, your biased interpretation of that verse taken out of its Biblical context and put into the P/C dogma context makes you think my theory is contradicted. Paul was talking about the situation in Corinth, not...

Your traditional Pentecostal interpretation of that verse doesn't prove anything except that you read it with that bias. You took it out of its context, as is typical of P/C bias readings. Paul is saying "no one understands" because the Corinthians were indiscriminately speaking it in the...

No, that is a projection of yourself. That statement offends you because pride in it is the stronghold that causes the offense. I didn't apologize. I said that clearly - "I have nothing to apologize for..." - so how do you think it's an apology? Just saying "if I apologized..." doesn't make...

I spoke in modern tongues for several years, until God told me it wasn't of Him. I feared to believe that for many years, but after much study of scripture and research, and reading a book and materials showing in detail how modern tongues is not actual languages, I became convinced that modern...

You assume that your traditional Pentecostal doctrine is "God's Word" because it's how you read 1 Cor. 14. I'm saying no, it's not God's word. I'm saying you are deceived by accepting the idea that modern "tongues" is the same thing as what the NT describes. Therefore, it's not holy as you...

Read Acts 2, where it is an obvious miracle to all who observed it. But modern "tongues" is a human ability speaking fluent gibberish that is a pseudo-language (it sounds like a language, but is not a language). People in pagan religions do it. P/C expectation and doctrine calls for every...

I get that you're angry and offended, and want an apology. Yet, from my POV I've nothing to apologize about, as it appears to me that I've (so to speak) said "the emperor has no clothes." If you want to be bitter about it, there's nothing I can do about that, except to say "I apologize for...

How is it you cannot see the fact that modern tongues is not what the NT is describing, and therefore modern tongues is not what Paul is talking about?

I invite you, as I have invited others, to show your tongues for examination. That's the middle line of understanding. As far as you keep it in the realm of secrecy, and hide behind your traditional interpretation of scripture, we'll never meet.

No, you're wrong, as I'm not fighting against the truth. The Spirit is the truth, according to the apostle John, and I'm trying to discover and reveal the truth of the matter, so therefore I have the Spirit. But your quoting scripture and presuming you have the truth, when in reality you don't...

Your response indicates to me that you don't think that I am well-aware of what Acts and 1 Cor. says on the subject, or that I have no experience of the issue at hand. I'm not looking for your advice. I'm looking for clear evidence that any modern tongues is a human language. So I ask again, do...

Ok, Fee's explanation is viable. However, this section doesn't address modern tongues, whether it is human language or not, as it is in the NT. I still say it's a biased assumption to claim that it is the same thing Paul is talking about. Secondly, I don't see where you address my previous...

Please don't go away in a huff. May God bless you.

I agree with you in what you say here, but it begs a question per what I highlighted: Do you believe that the tongues described in 1 Cor. is human languages, albeit unknown to the speaker and unknown to the Corinthian assembly?

I'm just going on what you say: You've said that at least 6 times in conversations with me. It appears to me you're trying to make yourself look good. But your language is at least as exaggerative as mine, so it also appears to me that you go by a double standard. And legalism is not prolific...

I agree with you on this. But all that I've seen of the Pentecostal movement is the kind of tongues that is deemed gibberish, which is random syllables in repeated patterns. That kind does not have sufficient language structure and vocabulary to convey meaning. Furthermore, anyone can do it if...

Ok, I do see that you are considering what the text actually says. Paul's argument in 14:12-15 is rebuking the Corinthians of speaking in tongues in the assembly indiscriminately, without any understanding or interpretation. So, in :14, when Paul says "if I pray in a tongue..." he is saying if...

I have noticed one fruit - you judge, misunderstand, and hurl insults, and use a double standard. You call me obtuse, and yet I'm simply responding to your posts with rebuttal. K - Could you explain how they are "legalistic" please. TD - 1. Toe the line, or you could lose your salvation and...

"Spin" is like the term "narrative" as is used lately. It means an interpretation with an agenda. So I think my term is correct. No, I disagree with your interpretation. The natural reading of ch. 12 doesn't say what you claim. But it does beg the question, do you think those gifts listed were...