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Just because someone want things to be a certain way it doesn't mean it is that way. Always seek objective truth and mind all the facts and respect them. Seek and find what is principally the given pattern and not only look for exceptions. Ye do fare well if ye this do.

I am talking about OT, as indicated in the post. I even stated it (including OT times). There was no change on that matter in NT.

Have I said otherwise? Are you saying that Lazarus was raised because he "responded to the call" while dead? What is your doctrinal tradition and fellowship? Are you by any chance free-will baptist or methodist? LOL! "Clarity"? Do you think that you possess clarity in these matters? You are...

Nope. In the context of which that was spoken/written I do not believe that the word "ordain" is a correct translation or rendering. If Paul ordained her then he would have been the first minister in church history (including OT times) at that time to do so. But Paul was not into breaking with...

Friend, I have not said anything against what you quoted above. But, she were not ordained in the church. OK?

"Land of the sodomite damned" as Phelps had it.

I do not agree on this. Women indeed can be gifted and workers for God as well as men, but women were never ordained in Church.

Are you saying that men are born sinless and then later choose to sin? Unbiblical. Adam's sin affected all mankind. Men are born in sin. And they are spiritually dead in their sin. Eph.2 is very clear on the state of lost man. He called him by his name, but where does it say that Lazarus was...

That's what free-willism eventually boils down to. All hangs on you and your almighty "decision". Oh, how relevant! o_O We can agree not to continue the discussion. Fine with me.

Prolly you can. Not heard of people doing such though and it's far off if you're in the US. DeLallo is quiet popular I'd think. Easy to use too. However not totally sugar-free as far as I know.

Yes. But that does not mean that sinners have the same choice as Adam did. They don't. And we have no scripture telling us that Lazarus was raised from the dead as a result of him "accepting an offer" from Jesus of being raised from the dead. I do question if they read their bibles much enough...

The Book, The Blood and the Blessed Hope.

Well said and welcome to CC.

Yes. AND this grace leads to perseverance to the end. Matt.24:13.

My point exactly. So in that state he had an advantage over sinners. No. That is not what we are discussing though. There have been no insults from me. My intention is to make folks wake up, hence an alarm. Other than that I am just kinda tired of this free-will thingy. It's unbiblical. Adds to...

That's the Spirit!

I reckon there be christians among the free-will crowd. It's not that, it's just that free-willism is a man-made, man-centered philosophy that doesn't give glory to Jesus. Oh, btw also the Roman-Catholics as well as the Jehovah's witnesses believe in free-willism. I cause the unlearned to study...

So you are saying Adam before the fall had no advantage to us? Was Lazarus raised from the dead against his will? Did Jesus ask him to "make a decision" to get raised from the dead? Do you let scripture interpret scripture? Do you really read scripture or do you read things into scripture?

If you put the onus on the human, then what you get is humanism. Jesus said it was impossible for men to achieve salvation, yet you think that could be read as there's somehow a burden on man to take himself by the collar and work up some faith? It has to be philosophy of men who take you to...

Itr's all in the bread, ain't it? Ye gotta have good raw ingridients, make that perfect blend and get the right thickness and crispyness - not too crispy. Most "pizzas" out there in the shops are really only warm sandwiches (although sometimes taste nice) in comparision.