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There’s no winners in this. We all leave this discussion more committed to our beliefs than when we started.

Hes describing the Holy Spirit

Yeah, I missed those last couple of verses. Man, thought I had him

9 pages arguing What about a person gets saved and as they’re getting dunked in the lake, an alligator grabs them and they never come back up? I may have to look that one up for commentary.

The first thing is to pray for the Holy Spirit’s help to understand it.

Yep Cornelius wasn’t a good example because he was baptized. The point is that while water baptism is important, if a person has a deathbed conversion, gets saved but dies on the way to the baptistery, or in some way isn’t able to get water baptized before death, they will still go to Heaven.

My brain is tired

I replied to the wrong person. Sorry, I was trying to reply to the OP.

What about arguing? Each thread ends up the same - at some point you end up convinced if a person has done everything else but is not water baptized, they go to hell. According to you, Cornelius and his whole household went to hell. And yes, the thief on the cross with Jesus went to hell. Every...

You still keep beating that drum bro. You go man lol

Im not discounting the foundation, but then you build a house on it. Salvation is the most important thing, and Saul’s conversation was the biggest one in the Bible. …But Saul became Paul and wrote 2/3 of the NT after salvation. Peter was weak and had no power to obey until after the upper...

Pretty sure OP exited thread

Generally with God you 1) Act the way you want to feel and the feeling will follow. It’s tough sometimes

Im talking about biblical experiences. What experiences are you talking about? I’m curious if you’ve had any such experiences such as a salvation or biblical spiritual experiences.

Most of us don’t have an answer.

That was actually smart

I think what confounds the “wise” is people’s experiences. The wise super-biblical bullet shooters can’t argue against experiences, even though they will try and say “That didn’t happen (to you)” or “Show me a scripture on your experience”

Fortunately we have you as the “wise” one among us all. Yet, nowhere in all your wisdom to us lowlings do you ever talk about Jesus’ presence or power, or anything beyond salvation.

Yeah obvious, but the point is the only way we have law and order in nature is that 1) A being of law and order exists 2) That being manifested it on earth 3) Man only has law and order because God revealed it to man.

Here’s one for you: 1 Cor 1:27 -27 But God has chosen (or God chose) the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; Looks like God decided to give His power and relationship to the dumb...