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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    When Adam and Eve sinned, God said the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil (Gen 3:22). some folks do not believe mankind can know good and insist that mankind can only know evil ... so they carry that "total depravity" schtick to the extreme (again, not saying you). yes, in...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    When the pharisees accused Jesus of casting out devils by beelzebub (Matt 12:24, Mark 3:22, Luke 11:15), Jesus replied: Luke 11: 19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges. 20 But if I with the finger of God cast out...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    I do not believe a person can believe the gospel and not be saved because we are told the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe (Rom 1:16). So I do agree someone can understand the gospel and not be saved. I do not agree that someone can understand the...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    right ... there are some sitting in church who think they are saved but they aren't which (to me) brings the total depravity issue into question (and I'm not saying whether or not you agree with total depravity). if natural man is so totally depraved, no unbelievers would be sitting in church...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    I know. I think every believer (including me) will always answer yes as well ... and then I remember Peter. I love Peter ... on the one hand: walked on water ... eyewitness to His majesty ... ferociously tried to protect Jesus in the garden ... on the other hand: get thee behind me ... the...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    I read records in Scripture of people spoken of in Heb 11:33-38 and think to myself "I wonder how I would react if I were in a similar situation ... would I be like Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? ... or would I be like Peter (deny with an oath)? Right now, at this moment, I completely trust...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    right ... and the deception doesn't stop when a person turns from darkness to light and is born again. it is so important for the believer to read Scripture ... spend time in prayer and communion with God ... grow in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We read in the gospels about...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Another reason it can't work is if the tree of knowledge of good and evil was the tree of life, then eating from it would not have resulted in death. However, God told Adam But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    no such thing. no such thing. 1 Corinthians 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. .
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    (((((Jimbone))))) ... so, so glad you're still with us ... and your 2 sons still have their father with them!!! Psalm 34:18-19 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    I think I answered ... your question is a straw man will you please just accept my answer. .
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    right ... faith is strengthened over the lifetime of the believer. Scripture talks about Abraham being strong in faith ... Scripture doesn't say Abraham had a lot of faith ... Scripture tells us Abraham's faith was strong. Jesus talks about faith like a mustard seed which, from what I...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    According to John 3:16 (referenced in your statement), the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    yep ... but the reprobate don't start out as reprobate. That's where they end up as they continuously suppress the truth in unrighteousness and step further and further away from God. Rom 1:21 – foolish heart becomes darkened and continue in behaviors shown in vss 22-23 Rom 1:24 – given up to...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    I do not believe I have dishonored him. Telling you that I prefer Scripture is not dishonoring ... in fact, I believe he would agree. .
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    did you read Rom 1:18-32 Thunderrr-mental? Read the verses just before Romans 1:18: Romans 1: 15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Romans 1:18 tells us the truth can be restrained and that God's wrath is revealed from heaven against those who restrain: Romans 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which...
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    yup!!! :cool: those who restrain the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18) are the ones who will suffer the consequence ... :( .
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    James 4: 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from...