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Who are the souls of those who had been beheaded? Are they the Church saints or those who were saved during the tribulation only? Where is your scripture to make this determination? Do you have scripture for this or are you assuming these souls are the church saints?

The post-trib view cannot be explained clearly either. Any way you see it there is filling in the lines and assuming. It seems the post-tribbers think they have a open and shut case, better think again.

OK, David, show us how anyone with a natural body makes into the millennium! Of course using the post-trib view.

I told you some weeks back @DavidTree that one resurrection in the end as you guys preach will not fulfill scripture. Matt. 25:31-46 makes it clear that only the saved will enter into the millennium. If all are resurrected at the end and receive their glorified bodies, there is no one left...

John is a symbol of the rapture in Rev. 4:1-2. It's just one of many symbols in Rev., of course John was not actually raptured. And there you go with your threats again and still you don't even understand what we are saying. Amazing!

In the pre-trib view the church saints are taken out of the way on this earth at Rev. 4:1-2. John is the type of the rapture with the trumpet calling him up as Rev. is ready to unfold. The resurrection of Rev. 20 is all the saints saved during the 70th week, a week of 7 years. Plus it includes...

The main purpose of the great tribulation is for Israel to be saved. This is the time of "Jacob's trouble" not the Churches trouble!

You are right that the rapture has no reference to "the thief in the night" only the Second Coming does. "The thief in the night" is illustrated in the parable of the 10 virgins and the parable of the faithful and unfaithful servants. In the servants parable, Matt. 24:45-51, let's look at that...

I like the way you run those scriptures together to make it look like Israel is nowhere in the forecast of God's plan. You will never understand the rapture until you recognize that God is also dealing with Israel, and the Church separately. That's your problem with this, you don't understand...

"Them" is Israel, David! Paul is telling you just what I told you. They (Israel) will be caught by surprise not the church. Remember the parable of the 10 virgins? All 10 belonged to Christ, we know this because all are called virgins. When the bridegroom came 5 were left behind and 5 went to...

The elect gathered are Israel. You are not recognizing Israel in any of this.

David, do you as a born-again Christian believe that the Second Coming of Christ will take you as a thief in the night? Knowing that the Second Coming is when Christ destroys the anti-christ and all of Rev. 5-19 will take place before His return? NO, it is not a thief in the night for the...

"They are not all Israel who are of Israel" is saying the Israelites in Christ are Israelites. God does not respect those outside of Christ, they are not the children of God. "Nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham" puts to death the claim of Israel that they are saved...

The whole rapture thing is a mystery, David, not just what you choose to be a mystery.

Doesn't matter what is said, what scripture is explained, it all is just dismissed. I have no time for you FG, you just get nastier and nastier with your attitude, I've seen it to many times!

That's fine with me!

It would be best if you were to read Matt. 24 very carefully from the beginning, before you accuse anyone of wrong doing.

Yes, but depending on the context of scripture. God deals separately with the Church and Israel. Be careful of the context to see who of the elect are being discussed.

I have shown it before, the elect in Matt. 24 are Israel. The entire 24th chapter of Matt. is addressed to the Jews. Isa. 11:11-12 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from...

We've been down this road before, and there is no explaining to you! Total waste of time unless you really want to see the rapture side, in which you don't!