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It is my understanding that the "pre-wrath" view is another phrase for the mid-trib view. In this view the Church goes through the first half of the tribulation, which this view claims is the wrath of Satan. But in the second half of the tribulation, this view states this is the wrath of God...

LOL! He has some explaining to do for his cause, that's what I'm waiting for.

And neither did your view of it, there are many, many assumptions associated with your view! The bottom line is that it is not possible for your view to be correct! But the pre-trib view is very possible. If you ever get around to explaining your view to us, as we have to you, then you will...

That's some good preaching there Rev. When you explain how one resurrection fulfills the scripture then we can compare it to the pre-trib view and have a discussion about it. Your post-trib view has many flaws, and you are yet to explain it!

I see that verse as proof and have presented it several times, but as usual the post-tribs just ignore it. It's just a dead end argument and actually a waste of time. What God has determined to happen will happen and believe we are all in for a surprise.

If you back up to 33:14, you will see that the Lord has promised Israel and Judah "that good thing." In vs 15, the Lord will cause "the Branch of Righteousness to grow up under David." This "Branch" is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ, who God said would sit on the throne of David. In vs...

I'm stating what I believe from scripture, David. Just as you believe the saved will enter the tribulation and have made it up with no clear scripture either!

LOL! Never been accused of being a Copland follower. That will be the day!

Phil 2:7-8 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." You can interpret this any way you choose! I...

Jesus was a man, 100% man, just as we are! As I have said, He laid all His Godly powers aside and faced this life just as we do. Man has choice, he chooses to sin, Jesus was no different, He had that choice. Satan is not the fool many believe he is, no way would have wasted 3 days and nights...

Jesus was and is God. For 33 1/2 years He lived on this earth as a man, just as us. He laid aside His power as God according to the scripture but He couldn't lay aside His deity, the fact that He is God. He was man and faced life just we do. The miracles He performed were not by His power, He...

I agree with John, He had no sin. He never even sinned in thought, which seems to be what I said.

The mind of Jesus couldn't have worked that way. He was born of the Spirit and had no sin nature. Those thoughts of sinning never entered His mind, imo. But that doesn't mean it was not possible for Him to sin.

I agree! There are positive and negative aspects to believing in Christ in the gospels and Acts. How that believing effects the heart will determine true faith in Christ. Paul said that is "with the heart that man believes unto righteousness."

I was using 1 Thes. 4:13-18 as my reference to what takes place before the book of Rev. begins to unfold. We call it the rapture/resurrection, you guys call it the resurrection of Rev. 20.

I just took him off ignore a few weeks ago, but here we are again.

FG, if you are going to break off my sentences and us only half of it to mislead what was said, I think I have given you to much credit as being honest on these forums. That is the last straw for me, off to ignore you go!

In the pre-trib view all the saints on earth who are alive at that time are taken in 1 Thes., along with all the saints who have lived and died in Christ from the beginning of time. There are no saints left on earth when the book of Rev. begins to unfold, and neither are there any remains left...

The beast is the anti-christ. How can anyone take the mark of the beast until he comes and demands that it be taken? The pre-trib view states that ALL the tribulation saints went into the tribulation lost and came out saved. They refused the mark of the beast and accepted Christ at some point...

Where is your scriptural foundation on the church going through the tribulation? That is what the post-trib view believes, so show us where that comes from in scripture.