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Peter also repented in anquish over his sin. The Lord forgave him of the grave error. He will forgive everyone of their sins. This was no big deal and does not prove ES?

From the beginning I have always stated that I am not a Christian that believes in OSAS or ES. So that has never changed. I have always been for faith that is accompanied by works, that has never changed. That is the whole reason I am on this thread to discuss if the other side discusses, or...

I will answer your question. A large % of Christians do not believe in OSAS or ES. I happen to be one of them. What you are trying to do with your different definition of 'believe' is make 'believe' to be more like 'faith'. It is not the same thing, no matter how you twist its meaning. John...

Do you think 'church' means anything more than the congregation of people?

If you are not reading it right, it applies to those who continue in the faith, and are steadfast and grounded and do not move away from the gospel. The fact is that those believers who do not continue in the faith will not be reconciled to God. So this proves again that ES is not a true...

Whose ignorance is showing. You think EVERYONE who have lived on the earth have their names written in the book of life? Then read this scripture: Revelation 13:6-9 King James Version (KJV) 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them...

Did Paul really say that: Jesus has reconciled us to God, If indeed you continue in the daith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away. Paul is the one that says it is by grace we are saved, not of works lest we boast. And here he is saying in order to be saved, we have to continue in...

You are the one playing God. When the bible says 'hold fast', it is telling believers to 'hold fast'. Your only argument is always that he is not referring to believers. He would surely not be telling non-believers to 'hold fast'? Does that make any sense. How low will you sink before the...

I have never seen you break down Luke 8 and the parable of the sower.

There is lots of biblical examples of believers turning into nonbelievers. You just will not have anything to do with it because you are stuck on the reality of OSAS/ES. Unless you get out of that false doctrine, you will always use just those scriptures that have a tendancy to teach OSAS/ES...

You can laugh all you want, but when Jesus refers to the church at Ephesus, do you think he is talking about a building? No, he is talking about the people in the church of Ephesus, who have fallen. Be serious for once. Just for the sake of argument, when Jesus refers to the 'church' at...

When Luke says that they believed, I take that as what Luke means. They believed in Christ. But because they were rooted rather shallow, or they were not in Christ for very long, they gave it up when the persecution came upon them and denied the HS and Christ and became unbelievers. ES is not...

Again, and again, you have to use Luke 8:12-13. If you don't use Luke then there is a slight reason to come to your conclusion, but that is arguable. If you use Luke there is not other conculsion but that ES is a false doctrine.

That's not enough, to believe in Christ and do what he tells us to do? I believe that boils my case down to exactly what the bible says.

Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and was resurrected in a perfect form, as an example of what we will be like in the resurrection.

How would one pervert the context in John 3:16, it is straight forward. It is simple enough for a 5 year old to understand. Exept that VCO (Post 64956) says that you are saved by faith and grace, he does not say believe? EG (Posts 64946 and 64924) is even more emphatic that we are not saved...

Everything I teach comes straight out of the bible and what Jesus taught. So saying I do not teach what Jesus taught must mean that the bible is false too. Is that what you think?

You know that I do not believe I am save by not sinning. What does that make you? I have told you many times that I do sin. but when I sin, I do repent, and I try to get back on the path to salvation. Repentance is not a willy-nilly change of mind for the day. It is an earnest endeavor to...

It is certainly not based on 1 verse and you know it, so what does that make you?

No, you know that is not right. I believe that if you fall, you must repent and get back on track. Repentance is not a simple, 'Oh, I'm sorry The scriptures say that the demons do believe in God, they knew Him and lived with him. They know Jesus is the Savior, but they reject his saving...