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You are right. God declared Abraham had faith, and then Abraham went right out there and proved he had faith by his works. If Abraham had not accompanied his faith with good works, his faith would have died. So in essence it is good works that completes or perfects you faith. You last...

OK here is the problem. Luke 8 says that these people believed for a while. But soon they denied Christ because of temptation and persecution and fell away. We say they lost their salvation because they once believed for a while (was that 1 month of 1 year?) You counter by saying they were...

I believe in ES, so I have to come up with a different definition of BELIEVE. Now there is the head believe and there is the heart believe. Good that covers that obviously biblical conflict with ES. Good going you guys.

You only made that distinction lately. It can't be true because you believe in ES. But all people whose names are written in the book of life, are those that believe and have the ability to have EL. If you are a non-believer why would you be written in the book of EL? You wouldn't. Read...

So you and others on this forum have preached from the beginning that the second one believes, they are saved forever and ever by Jesus into EL. Then justpassinthrough showed us a scripture in Luke 8 about the parable of the sower. In that parable seeds were thrown on rocky soil, and the...

Remember that you said, "but you were saved the MOMENT you first Believed, BEFORE YOU DID ANY WORKS".

My conclusions come from the bible, and if they are different from your conclusions, it does not automatically mean that my conclusions are from my own understanding. And since the Holy Spirit is with me, I would not be convinced that my conclusions are wrong. I will admit they are different...

You are exactly right, but if you have love for God and his admonitions to help the poor and needy, you will have EL. If you think you have all the love for God and you do not give to the poor and sacrifice your body, you will be like tinkling brass, and not have EL.

VCO says: Do you have a bible scripture that says what you personally just said? If you choose not to walk in the good works that Christ has prepared for you ahead of time, then what?

If Jesus is working in us to produce good works, you would have no problem with that, right?

Because none of us boast of our right to enter based upon our works, does that make you a truth teller or do you tell falsehoods. Which is it decon.

And Matthew 5 in the sermon on the mount tells us to let our good works be seen of men so that they will glorify God. So by our faith and our good works, men will know that we are people of God and it will glority God. The hope is that people seeing this outpour of good works will want to be a...

Sorry, but it is Jesus that said we must do as he has done. If you do not these things, his sacrifice will be in vain for you.

If Jesus needed baptism to be complet and perfect, then so do we.

Whos says they didn't start out with faith? What we do know is that if they do not repent they will be lost and lose their salvation.

Wow, decon, you truly must have hate in your heart. Stop with the horrible descriptions of a Christian brother, even if he disagrees with you.

You seem to have a rather arrogant thought that because I do not believe what you believe 100%, that I do not have the Holy Spirit with me. That would be a mistake on your part. If I gave you 20 sayings of Jesus would you be willing to divide them into words pertaining to the law, and words...

So now in this forum we have at least 3 interpretation of the parable of the sower: 1) benhur and justpassinthrough say that the seed on the stony soil were saved for a while, but because of temptation and persecution they rejected Jesus and fell away and lost their salvation. 2) noname says...

What part is out of my league? Is it the part that Peter repented in anguish? Is it the part that Jesus forgave him? Is it the part that Jesus will forgive everyone of their sins? (assumption that everyone who is forgiven believed in him). Which is it. Be more specific than just call me...

I have shown you a scripture that proves that EVERYBODY is not written in the 'book of life'. I believe only those that believe are written in the book. But as you have pointed out, there has to be more than 1 book. Must be 1 book that is for everyone, that records their works. This is the...