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...as the text also states (not after the "birth pangs [plural]" Jesus spoke of are COMPLETED--as others like to suggest, who say this ["the DOTL"] commences at Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19). Additionally, the "SEQUENCE ISSUES" of the Olivet Discourse have the 70ad events...

...upon the earth OVER SOME TIME--a very specific, future, LIMITED time-period; the "IN THE NIGHT" aspect OF the entire VERY LENGTHY overall "DOTL" which also goes on to INCLUDE the "BLESSINGs" aspect / entire earthly MK age, also) This has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Again, you and I...

...Matthew 24:30 is showing... am I reading you right? "The Day of the Lord" is AN EARTHLY-LOCATED TIME-PERIOD... .... which "time-period" (the DOTL) commences / arrives as JUDGMENTS UNFOLDING upon the earth OVER SOME TIME (the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period), prior to when Christ HIMSELF...

...this about JESUS' OWN PERSONAL COMING. (Check that out! :) ) [the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period is the TRIBULATION-PERIOD ASPECT OF the "DOTL"... when JUDGMENTS will be unfolding upon the earth, over those 7 years] "IN WHICH / IN THE WHICH" is speaking of a VERY LENGTHY TIME-PERIOD, in...

..."moon became as blood" corresponds with Joel 2:31's "moon into blood"... and there says it will take place "BEFORE the GREAT" aspect of "the DOTL"... NOT "before" the day of the Lord" IN ITS ENTIRETY (i.e. not before IT STARTS); whereas what Jesus was describing ("moon shall not give her...

...within that "7 year period" we commonly call the Trib; That "7-yr period" is the first aspect OF "the Day of the Lord" very-lengthy time-period (the "IN THE NIGHT" aspect--"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" will not step one inch into! :) ); but "the DOTL" goes on to ALSO INCLUDE the entire MK age]

...first of the "birth PANGS" that Jesus listed)].); SO, the sentence would NOT say as you've suggested, but rather, "THE TRIBULATION PERIOD/DOTL will not be present if not [/unless] shall have come THE RAPTURE/DEPARTURE *FIRST* and... Pretribbers (such as myself) are NOT suggesting the...

...(the "SUN of righteousness ARISE" aspect); AND --His 1000-yr reign on / over the earth (the "reign... GLORIOUSLY" aspect); ALL THREE. The DOTL does not COMMENCE until Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" (Isa3:13; Rev5:6), which has not yet taken place; and we can know this because of Rev5:4's "WAS...

...for clarification: ...yes, there will indeed be many people who will be coming to faith in Christ IN / DURING / WITHIN the Tribulation period [DOTL-Trib aspect-"IN THE NIGHT" (Judgments unfolding upon the earth)]... (FOLLOWING "our Rapture") --"the Day of the Lord" = EARTHLY-located...

...ONE' [bringing deception])... well-prior to the MID-trib point when the AOD takes place (Matt24:15): 1260 days are yet remaining (so IOW, "the DOTL" STARTS with the FIRST "birth PANG" i.e. SEAL #1... at the START of the "7 yr period" we commonly call "the Trib"--not at its MID-point, nor at...

...INITIAL "birth PANG [Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE [G5100]'--'A CERTAIN ONE' bringing deception; 1Th5:1-3, i.e the ARRIVAL of "the DOTL" time period of judgments unfolding upon the earth]"... which initial "BP" IS EQUIVALENT to "SEAL #1" (rider on wht horse WITH A 'BOW' i.e...

...possibly be present, without the presence [G3952] of "the man of sin" (the *star character*, so to speak, of the "IN THE NIGHT" segment OF "the DOTL" [i.e.7-yrs-worth]!). But once SEAL #1 / the INITIAL "birth PANG [singular; per 1Th5:1-3 ; Matt24:4/Mk13:5]" happens (which IS the "whose...

^ 2) liars saying "the day of the Lord [the Trib]" IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE [PERFECT INDICATIVE; transitive verb in Grk] 3) that day (the DOTL / TRIB, from verse 2) will not "BE PRESENT" without the man of sin; they are inextricably connected... the TRIB is the "IN HIS TIME" (v.6); and the...

...a meaning not being conveyed in Paul's words... ... by rearranging the text, and also by [incorrectly] PRESUPPOSING that the subject of the "false claim in verse 2" (the earthly-located DOTL time-period) is the SAME Subject as Paul's VERSE 1 SUBJECT ("our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"), which is it NOT.

...day of the Lord WILL [indeed] BE PRESENT" (that which the false claimants [v.2] were purporting was already present, in their day). [he is "revealed" at Seal #1, at the START of the Trib yrs; Paul makes same point in 1Th5:1-3, as I've shown in past posts about the ARRIVAL of the DOTL]

Again, you are inserting the idea "WHEN Jesus comes back" (there is NO "WHEN" in v.7), where instead it is STATING THE FACT OF "rest / repose with us IN THE REVELATION OF"; you are also inserting "RECEIVES rest [WHEN]" (where just the fact "rest / repose with us IN" is what it states); This is...

...false claim-->] as that [purporting that] the day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE." [Recall, Paul in his earlier letter states "the DOTL" ARRIVES "exactly like [hosper ] the INITIAL "birth PANG"... Jesus spoke of those in the PLURAL, and they ARE EQUIVALENT the SEALS of Rev6 at...

Yes, and this is why Paul REPEATS that sequence 3x in 2Th2:3b-8a,9a... which SEQUENCE agrees also with the SEQUENCE spelled out in 1Th4&5... and the SAME SEQUENCE also found in Rev4-5&6...

Paul had said (1Th5:1-3) "THE DAY OF THE LORD so cometh [/arrives] as a thief IN THE NIGHT..." "the DOTL" is an earthly-located time period of much duration, that is comprised of "judgments" unfolding upon the earth (over some time!) and then "blessings" (over some time!)--ALL that!... IOW...

In understand your perspective, but I do disagree. What are your thoughts about how Paul (in 1Th5:1-3) stated that the DOTL's ARRIVAL will be "exactly like [hosper]" the INITIAL "birth PANG [singular]" that comes upon a woman, as referring back to that which Jesus had spoken of in His Olivet...