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morefaithrequired

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The fact is we don't agree on everything, and a controversial forum is just another opportunity to insult and argue with each other. But as Magenta said, everything concerning Christianity is controversial. We don't need anymore opportunity for controversy, as far as I can see.
i am more concerned about the quality of insults. We all need to avoid predictability. Get creative. Keep us all awake.
Am I making sense today? probably not eh
 

Butterflyyy

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Okay Deade here's a controversial one😁.....
What do the mature Christians understand the Word of God to be saying about women teaching in the Church?
(I would greatly appreciate this to be answered by those who have considered significant Hebrew and Greek words and have a generally good understanding of the whole Bible)
Many. thanks🙂
 

morefaithrequired

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Okay Deade here's a controversial one😁.....
What do the mature Christians understand the Word of God to be saying about women teaching in the Church?
(I would greatly appreciate this to be answered by those who have considered significant Hebrew and Greek words and have a generally good understanding of the whole Bible)
Many. thanks🙂
sorry im busy at the moment
 

KhedetOrthos

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Did you know that mainstream Christianity didn't believe that Christ was physically coming back to earth until 1844 when the Adventist proposed it.
I’m not sure where you got this idea, but it isn’t correct...even the Didache, predating even the Bible as we know it today, says

Didache (100 A.D.)

Watch for your life's sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins be unloosed, but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour in which our Lord cometh. But as often as you come together, seeking the things that are befitting to your souls: for that whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you are not made perfect in the last time. For in the last days false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep turned into wolves, and love will be turned to hate; when the lawlessness increases, they shall hate and betray one another, and then shall appear the world deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders and the world shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the beginning. Then the creation of men shall come into the fire of trial, and many shall be made to stumble and perish; but they that endure in the faith shall be saved from under the curse itself. And then shall appear the signs of truth; first, the sign of the outspreading in heaven; then the sign of the sound of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection from the dead; yet not all, but as it is said: The Lord is coming and all his saints with Him, then the world will see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven."
 

Deade

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I’m not sure where you got this idea, but it isn’t correct...even the Didache, predating even the Bible as we know it today, says

Didache (100 A.D.)

Watch for your life's sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins be unloosed, but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour in which our Lord cometh. But as often as you come together, seeking the things that are befitting to your souls: for that whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you are not made perfect in the last time. For in the last days false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep turned into wolves, and love will be turned to hate; when the lawlessness increases, they shall hate and betray one another, and then shall appear the world deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders and the world shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the beginning. Then the creation of men shall come into the fire of trial, and many shall be made to stumble and perish; but they that endure in the faith shall be saved from under the curse itself. And then shall appear the signs of truth; first, the sign of the outspreading in heaven; then the sign of the sound of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection from the dead; yet not all, but as it is said: The Lord is coming and all his saints with Him, then the world will see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven."
So says the Eastern Orthodox member. I didn't expect such as you to believe it. We have scripture that says the same thing, yet many denied it until confronted with texts such as you produced. :)
 

calibob

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Most other forums have a place where we can discuss controversial topics that are not allowed on the regular BDF. I feel we are just finding our way back to Bible truths that have been disallowed by certain creeds and doctrines.

You might think of us as off, but many Christians have come to conclusions that antichrist has been active a lot longer than most suspect. We need a place to state our case without getting kicked off the forum altogether.
Well since the anti Christ and the beast will both be under the influence of Lucifer and there have already been several antichrists like Hitler, Stalin, Caligula & Augustus Caesar etc. Yes the spirit of the Antichrist has been traceable to some extent ever since Genesis 3, at least.
 

calibob

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So says the Eastern Orthodox member. I didn't expect such as you to believe it. We have scripture that says the same thing, yet many denied it until confronted with texts such as you produced. :)
@KhedetOrthos The keyword is mainstream. He didn't say all or none. many mainstreamers join before they investigate and believe what they are taught before they have a filter or the ability to recognize the difference between genuine and counterfeit. Paul warns us about false doctrine so they have been around since the 1st Century. It's easier to believe a convenient fib than an inconvenient truth. Study, pray and restudy the original. Test what we are taught before believing it.

1 John 4: 1 Testing the Spirits; 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world.
 

Deade

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@KhedetOrthos The keyword is mainstream. He didn't say all or none. many mainstreamers join before they investigate and believe what they are taught before they have a filter or the ability to recognize the difference between genuine and counterfeit. Paul warns us about false doctrine so they have been around since the 1st Century. It's easier to believe a convenient fib than an inconvenient truth. Study, pray and restudy the original. Test what we are taught before believing it.

1 John 4: 1 Testing the Spirits; 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Yes, I think it is just too hard for most to believe that Satan got into Christianity so early. But think about this: He is a spirit and time is on his side. Besides the "son of perdition" must run full course, until God puts a stop to it. It's prophecy! :whistle:
 

calibob

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Yes, I think it is just too hard for most to believe that Satan got into Christianity so early. But think about this: He is a spirit and time is on his side. Besides the "son of perdition" must run full course, until God puts a stop to it. It's prophecy!:whistle:
Thats what I've been saying too and I've been called a superstitious, religious fanatic. They'll find out. Some people are willfully ignorant when the truth contradicts their agenda. They claim the everything that happens, they agree with, is Gods will. With a Bible in one hand and a false idol in the other. It's either deception or nonsense. Only the Lord knows for sure
 

Lanolin

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the antichrist or antichrists have always been around, not sure why people seem to think there will only ever be ONE.
Im sure you can state your case without being banned if doing so respectfully. It just seems that people like to name call anyone whos powerful and in politics right now as antichrist. I think people dont get that its a spirit and also that the beast is not a person. People will worship the image of the beast its not saying that there is this one person.

I think the way to go about discussing topics that people have different views on is to let people come to their own conclusions. Dont try and say I think YOU think this when people might not even have made up their minds about it. dont pigeon hole people because of the denoniminations they might belong to either as many christians are actually not denominational, they might just go to a certain church or belong to one because their family has always gone to one and so thats where they go because its familiar.