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Okay Deade here's a controversial one😁.....
What do the mature Christians understand the Word of God to be saying about women teaching in the Church?
(I would greatly appreciate this to be answered by those who have considered significant Hebrew and Greek words and have a generally good understanding of the whole Bible)
Many. thanks🙂
What do the mature Christians understand the Word of God to be saying about women teaching in the Church?
(I would greatly appreciate this to be answered by those who have considered significant Hebrew and Greek words and have a generally good understanding of the whole Bible)
Many. thanks🙂
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I’m not sure where you got this idea, but it isn’t correct...even the Didache, predating even the Bible as we know it today, says
Didache (100 A.D.)
Watch for your life's sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins be unloosed, but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour in which our Lord cometh. But as often as you come together, seeking the things that are befitting to your souls: for that whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you are not made perfect in the last time. For in the last days false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep turned into wolves, and love will be turned to hate; when the lawlessness increases, they shall hate and betray one another, and then shall appear the world deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders and the world shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the beginning. Then the creation of men shall come into the fire of trial, and many shall be made to stumble and perish; but they that endure in the faith shall be saved from under the curse itself. And then shall appear the signs of truth; first, the sign of the outspreading in heaven; then the sign of the sound of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection from the dead; yet not all, but as it is said: The Lord is coming and all his saints with Him, then the world will see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven."
Didache (100 A.D.)
Watch for your life's sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins be unloosed, but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour in which our Lord cometh. But as often as you come together, seeking the things that are befitting to your souls: for that whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you are not made perfect in the last time. For in the last days false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep turned into wolves, and love will be turned to hate; when the lawlessness increases, they shall hate and betray one another, and then shall appear the world deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders and the world shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the beginning. Then the creation of men shall come into the fire of trial, and many shall be made to stumble and perish; but they that endure in the faith shall be saved from under the curse itself. And then shall appear the signs of truth; first, the sign of the outspreading in heaven; then the sign of the sound of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection from the dead; yet not all, but as it is said: The Lord is coming and all his saints with Him, then the world will see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven."
So says the Eastern Orthodox member. I didn't expect such as you to believe it. We have scripture that says the same thing, yet many denied it until confronted with texts such as you produced. 
1 John 4: 1 Testing the Spirits; 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world.
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Yes, I think it is just too hard for most to believe that Satan got into Christianity so early. But think about this: He is a spirit and time is on his side. Besides the "son of perdition" must run full course, until God puts a stop to it. It's prophecy!
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the antichrist or antichrists have always been around, not sure why people seem to think there will only ever be ONE.
Im sure you can state your case without being banned if doing so respectfully. It just seems that people like to name call anyone whos powerful and in politics right now as antichrist. I think people dont get that its a spirit and also that the beast is not a person. People will worship the image of the beast its not saying that there is this one person.
I think the way to go about discussing topics that people have different views on is to let people come to their own conclusions. Dont try and say I think YOU think this when people might not even have made up their minds about it. dont pigeon hole people because of the denoniminations they might belong to either as many christians are actually not denominational, they might just go to a certain church or belong to one because their family has always gone to one and so thats where they go because its familiar.
Im sure you can state your case without being banned if doing so respectfully. It just seems that people like to name call anyone whos powerful and in politics right now as antichrist. I think people dont get that its a spirit and also that the beast is not a person. People will worship the image of the beast its not saying that there is this one person.
I think the way to go about discussing topics that people have different views on is to let people come to their own conclusions. Dont try and say I think YOU think this when people might not even have made up their minds about it. dont pigeon hole people because of the denoniminations they might belong to either as many christians are actually not denominational, they might just go to a certain church or belong to one because their family has always gone to one and so thats where they go because its familiar.
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Yes, I think it is just too hard for most to believe that Satan got into Christianity so early. But think about this: He is a spirit and time is on his side. Besides the "son of perdition" must run full course, until God puts a stop to it. It's prophecy!
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I probably would not qualify as one to answer your question since I don’t have a vast knowledge of the Hebrew or Greek language but my question is, what is the problem? Does God not mean what he says? The fact that most people totally ignore what the Holy Spirit says or try to explain it away does not mean that God was not plain or that what he says is somehow vague or hard to understand. It is an indisputable fact that the New Testament teaches that women are limited in some areas.
1) I Corinthians 11:3 God gives the “order” of God, Man, Woman. In 1 Timothy 2:11-14 He says” let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man but to be in SILENCE(gs). And then he gives the reason— because the man was formed first and because the man was not deceived but the woman was deceived. This goes all the way back to Genesis. When God made woman as a “helper” for Adam. She was made FROM him and FOR him. InGenesis 3 when God cursed Eve he said “...your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over you “ I know that is ruffling doe feathers, but I am just presenting the facts of what the Bible teaches. these are not my words but God’s. If you want to get mad at someone then you will have to get mad at God. He’s the one who wrote this not me.
2) I Corinthians 14:34-35 is probably the passage with the strongest language. “LET YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCHES, FOR THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK BUT THEY ARE TO BE SUBMISSIVE AS THE LAW ALSO SAYS.” VERSE 35- “....for it is SHAMEFUL FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH.”
That’s what God says about it and that is what the BIBLE TEACHES ABOUT WONEN SPEAKING in the church. Now the question is ,DO YOU BELIEVE IT? It’s just like Genesis 1:1. The Athiest KNOWS what it says. He just doesnt BELIEVE what it says.
I believe in the authority of the scriptures and that Christ has ALL authority as stated in Matt. 28:18.
1) I Corinthians 11:3 God gives the “order” of God, Man, Woman. In 1 Timothy 2:11-14 He says” let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man but to be in SILENCE(gs). And then he gives the reason— because the man was formed first and because the man was not deceived but the woman was deceived. This goes all the way back to Genesis. When God made woman as a “helper” for Adam. She was made FROM him and FOR him. InGenesis 3 when God cursed Eve he said “...your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over you “ I know that is ruffling doe feathers, but I am just presenting the facts of what the Bible teaches. these are not my words but God’s. If you want to get mad at someone then you will have to get mad at God. He’s the one who wrote this not me.
2) I Corinthians 14:34-35 is probably the passage with the strongest language. “LET YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCHES, FOR THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK BUT THEY ARE TO BE SUBMISSIVE AS THE LAW ALSO SAYS.” VERSE 35- “....for it is SHAMEFUL FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH.”
That’s what God says about it and that is what the BIBLE TEACHES ABOUT WONEN SPEAKING in the church. Now the question is ,DO YOU BELIEVE IT? It’s just like Genesis 1:1. The Athiest KNOWS what it says. He just doesnt BELIEVE what it says.
I believe in the authority of the scriptures and that Christ has ALL authority as stated in Matt. 28:18.
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Deade I came across this and I was worried about you being involved in the New Apostolic Reformation which is a deception. I realise there are those who swing too far the other way and they are not correct either, but please prayerfully consider what is really going on here. The NAR is dangerous. 🦋x
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