“Confronting the Error of Hyper-Grace” – a response to Michael Brown

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eternally-gratefull said:
Well You did not prove what you intended to prove,

So all you did was rehash the same old argument you just told someone in another thread you did not want to rehash.

SMH
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I keep giving you good advice, and you keep refusing to take it. Stick to the basics of grace and calling people heretics. Whenever you move beyond that you ed nd up in trouble
 
james57 said:
I keep giving you good advice, and you keep refusing to take it. Stick to the basics of grace and calling people heretics. Whenever you move beyond that you ed nd up in trouble
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I stick to the basics of grace.

But you can not understand that, because you do not listen to anything I say. You think you know what I believe because you are mad that I had the nerve to confront you about the way you treat people..

I even like some of your posts. and agree with a lot of what you say, So unlike you. I do not hold grudges, or just because someone disagrees with me, I make a war with them.

ps.. Saying Rom 7 is paul pre-conversion, does not support grace, it supports legalism.


Just saying, Your the ONLY grace person I know who believes the way you do.

But I did what I promised I would not do again, and went back to the topic.

I need to go back to my time out chair.
 
Saying romans 7 is Paul pre conversion does not support grace, it supports legalism?

Only because you dont understand the message.

Have a read of rom 6:14
 
eternally-gratefull said:

I stick to the basics of grace.

But you can not understand that, because you do not listen to anything I say. You think you know what I believe because you are mad that I had the nerve to confront you about the way you treat people..

I even like some of your posts. and agree with a lot of what you say, So unlike you. I do not hold grudges, or just because someone disagrees with me, I make a war with them.

ps.. Saying Rom 7 is paul pre-conversion, does not support grace, it supports legalism.


Just saying, Your the ONLY grace person I know who believes the way you do.

But I did what I promised I would not do again, and went back to the topic.

I need to go back to my time out chair.
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I'm bot nad if you confront my beliefs, but when you constantly lie as to my beliefs and distort them, then do not have the decency to apologise, but rather try and lay the blame on me, I don't think much of that
But then the sasy believeism you follow doesn't lead to maturity
 
james57 said:
I'm bot nad if you confront my beliefs, but when you constantly lie as to my beliefs and distort them, then do not have the decency to apologise, but rather try and lay the blame on me, I don't think much of that
But then the sasy believeism you follow doesn't lead to maturity
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You do not practice what you preach.

so stop asking people to do what you refuse to do.

You ignored me, then went on doing the same thing you continue to do to me to others many others.

So like I sad, keep it up..
 
james57 said:
I'm bot nad if you confront my beliefs, but when you constantly lie as to my beliefs and distort them, then do not have the decency to apologise, but rather try and lay the blame on me, I don't think much of that
But then the sasy believeism you follow doesn't lead to maturity
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Im purty sur dat it be yu hoo es doin dim tings, knot hem.
 
eternally-gratefull said:

You do not practice what you preach.

so stop asking people to do what you refuse to do.

You ignored me, then went on doing the same thing you continue to do to me to others many others.

So like I sad, keep it up..
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If this was not you life, and you were not so keen to make an impfession on people you would not carry on this way
 
eternally-gratefull said:
The term used means faith, an active living faith, Not the dead faith James spoke of. which had no life.
I can not believe someone today can repent and have true living faith in God and all he says about sin and judement, and in Christ and his redemptive act.
then years later say, Nope. I do not believe in that stuff anymore.
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Why do you believe is OSAS?

By your own logic no one who truely believes and walks with the Lord will ever fall away.
So OSAS serves no purpose because it is not reassuring anybody who is actually saved, other than putting false hope in those who are not actually saved.

Take it to the next step. I am save and I walk with the Lord. Whether I believe is OSAS or not, I am going to heaven.

So you condemn me for something that makes no difference. So underneath this is a lie. And the lie is salvation is not true and Jesus cannot be trusted. To answer the lie OSAS, but the truth is you actually know people doubt and fall away, feel lost and empty, wonder if God is listening and take their own lives, and OSAS is reassuring.

That is lying to yourself and living in unbelief while claiming you do not. It does not surprise me when people really fear death and claiming they know love and Jesus is just not enough. Life is tough and tough things happen.

But for me OSAS is just about not trusting Jesus and His judgement. I do not know or want to know how it works, because I could not handle that knowledge, it would break my heart. But I know enough to trust Jesus and His revelation.

Are my works good enough? If Jesus says "I am pleased with Peter" then I say amen. I have nothing to prove, because He has loved me, to the depths of my soul. I do not rest on my performance because that is nothing compared to His love.

So all I can say is I hear confusion and denial, fear and ignorance.
 
PeterJens said:
Why do you believe is OSAS?
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How can I not believe in OSAS.

If Salvation is a gift of God which can never be earned. It means it can never be lost.

If it can be lost. it must be earned, and is not a gift.

By your own logic no one who truely believes and walks with the Lord will ever fall away.
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They wont, because they will never walk away and fall into unbelief.

So OSAS serves no purpose because it is not reassuring anybody who is actually saved, other than putting false hope in those who are not actually saved.
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That's not Gods problem. God assured and paid for salvation. Not any person. OSAS is just a term.. which represents one who trusts that God will keep his promise.
Take it to the next step. I am save and I walk with the Lord. Whether I believe is OSAS or not, I am going to heaven.
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Well I did not believe in OSAS. I believed in eternal life secured and sealed by God himself.

So I did not believe in osas Ithe name) so yes, you could be right.

So you condemn me for something that makes no difference. So underneath this is a lie. And the lie is salvation is not true and Jesus cannot be trusted. To answer the lie OSAS, but the truth is you actually know people doubt and fall away, feel lost and empty, wonder if God is listening and take their own lives, and OSAS is reassuring.
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To say salvation can be lost is the lie, Your trusting in self. You can deny it all you want, that does not make it any more true than a person who thinks he can believe in God and live any way he wants believes in the doctrine of OSAS (saved by Grace alone)

You both reject it.
That is lying to yourself and living in unbelief while claiming you do not. It does not surprise me when people really fear death and claiming they know love and Jesus is just not enough. Life is tough and tough things happen.

But for me OSAS is just about not trusting Jesus and His judgement. I do not know or want to know how it works, because I could not handle that knowledge, it would break my heart. But I know enough to trust Jesus and His revelation.

Are my works good enough? If Jesus says "I am pleased with Peter" then I say amen. I have nothing to prove, because He has loved me, to the depths of my soul. I do not rest on my performance because that is nothing compared to His love.

So all I can say is I hear confusion and denial, fear and ignorance.
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You do not know or understand OSAS..

You can not condemn a doctrine you can not understand. And if you do not want to know what it means. That's on you not me..
 
james57 said:
If this was not you life, and you were not so keen to make an impfession on people you would not carry on this way
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Whatever dude, you have issues, and you want to blame your issues on everyone but yourself. you refuse to take accountability for your own actions.

If I was as you say, I would fight and go to war with anyone who does not agree with me. It is obvious to anyone who knows me that is not true.

As I said, if I act the way you say I do. I would have been banned many times by now..
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Whatever dude, you have issues, and you want to blame your issues on everyone but yourself. you refuse to take accountability for your own actions.

If I was as you say, I would fight and go to war with anyone who does not agree with me. It is obvious to anyone who knows me that is not true.

As I said, if I act the way you say I do. I would have been banned many times by now..
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Round 2. Fight!
 
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