A Distinction In Speaking in Tongues

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Actually, Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Maybe focus on Him and you will see that your fixation on tongues does nothing for anyone. Kindly go yap at someone else. My dance card is full.
The spoken words of Yeshua are in the Bible. That's how you find them by reading the Bible.
 
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For what? That people can imitate a gift? or perhaps have demonic tongues?

Why don't you pray for the gift of healing? People need to be healed.

But like I said, go yap at someone else.
Tongues is a sign to the lost.
Interesting, just like the Pharisees to claim a Gift of the Holy Spirit to be demonic...
 
So have you managed to see over 2000 people saved at one time because you think you can speak in tongues and others understand no matter how many languages are represented in the 2000?

Please. Go ahead. Show us all how you do tongues just like in the Bible. Very hypocritical if you cannot and do not do the same.
The Holy Spirit gives the Utterance.
Read your Bible.
 
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Yeah I'm fed up with all this oneness pentecostal tongues misinformation.

You do not have to speak in tongues, or be baptized in Jesus name only or anything else these obsessed with tongues individuals tell you.

There is no such thing as baptismal regeneration, which they teach ie. having your sins forgiven which means the blood of Jesus is secondary.

You do not have to be re-baptized if you were baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

And you most certainly, absolutly do have the Holy Spirit indwelling you as a seal that you have indeed been welcomed into the family of believers.
AoG, Church of God and many others are triune and Speak in Tongues. Even the Southern Baptist are Speaking in Tongues in many areas.
 
The Bible does not teach that 'the moment you're saved' that you speak in tongues. That is bizarre doctrine.

He also asks, 'not all speak in tongues, do they?'

And he said to pray to be able to ____interpret tongues.__ Where does he say to pray to be able to speak in tongues?
I showed the examples in Acts where they did Speak in Tongues as soon as they were Saved and filled with the Holy Spirit.
 
There is the tongues of people which enables you to speak in a language that others speak ---which is what the Disciples were able to do to preach the Gospel -----

Then according to Scripture there is tongues of angels -----which is an angelic or Heavenly language that one can have and when these tongues are spoken your speaking directly to God not man -----

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"Heavenly tongues" or "tongues of angels" refers to a spiritual gift of prayer or praise in a language unknown on earth, supported by 1 Corinthians 13:1. used in personal devotion, these tongues are described as speaking mysteries to God (1 Cor. 14:2) a "prayer language" that bypasses human intellect.

Speaking in tongues when in a church setting needs interpretation -------otherwise it is fruitless for the people listening -----there is no need for interpretation of tongues when praying privately as your praying directly to God who understands the prayer language your using -----

I was in a church where a person got up and spoke in tongues and there was a Chinese man in the pews and he said the person was speaking his language and interpreted what the person was saying --so it was beneficial to the congregation----
 
Yeah I'm fed up with all this oneness pentecostal tongues misinformation.

You do not have to speak in tongues, or be baptized in Jesus name only or anything else these obsessed with tongues individuals tell you.

There is no such thing as baptismal regeneration, which they teach ie. having your sins forgiven which means the blood of Jesus is secondary.

You do not have to be re-baptized if you were baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

And you most certainly, absolutly do have the Holy Spirit indwelling you as a seal that you have indeed been welcomed into the family of believers.
Scripture refutes what you have come to believe.

1. " Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5

It is no coincidence that the initial conversion accounts pertaining to individuals of each group of humanity involved both water and Spirit. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)


2. "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4, 10:43-48, 19:1-7


3. The first verse in this account refutes the idea you that the blood of Jesus is secondary, as you suggest. It reveals, it is in fact the shed blood of Jesus that makes being born again even possible!

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine... Acts 2:36-41

4. Paul revealed how a person is water baptized matters. He re-baptized those who John baptized previously. "And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." Acts 19:3-5

5. As shared previously, Paul's letter to the Ephesians indicated they were sealed with the Holy Ghost after hearing the word of truth. The word of truth Paul preached to them is recorded in Acts 19:1-7. Paul stayed in Ephesus with the 12 men who had placed their trust in Jesus. Their willingness to believe and obey Jesus' messenger resulted in their being reborn of water and Spirit. But sadly, as seen today, many in Ephesus chose not to believe the gospel message Paul proclaimed.

Acts 19:8-10
"And he (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks."


Jesus did not tell those who believed on him that they were good to go. What He told them was, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32)
 
If you would read your bibles, you would find out that believers in Christ belong to the tribes of Israel, Jacob, and the rest of those who have faith like Abraham.
And that God will bring back those who call on his Name to the land of Zion, all who uphold righteousness and justice throughout their lives, and commands that no one eats yeast with their passover; that is, putting man-made things before the ancient word of God.

'AoG', 'Church of God', and those many others who hold their fancy title to a high degree, are simply delusions that God doesn't need.
And even though there are righteous beople in them, those titles will be stripped away from them on the day of Judgment, cast into the fire, and never remembered again.

This being said, tongues will begiven to whoever God will give it, and Prophecy will be given to whoever God will give it, but simple faith and charity are the pillars of Gods chosen. It will be practiced by them whether they were maimed, blind, or raised on a desert island, and those who think their sacramental ways have a bearing will be put to shame.

See, you're so privilaged to be living in a gaudy nation that has all these high things that are going to expire, (all your honours and wealth is obtained in complete abundance and safety, no real strenuous or wearisome sacrifice is made by you), and you are so comfortable and high-headed that you think you have the right to tear others down over nothing.

Yet what will those people in those others countries do, who believe the Gospel? How will someone in Uganda come to your church, or someone who calls on God in mongolia hear about your pentacostal doctrines?
If someone in a muslim country valiantly stands for their faith, having nothing but the word of Christ for their testimony, having never partook in your church rituals, or wasted their time hearing worthless interpretations made by man who wanted to have their own 'creed' here on earth, and they are brutally tortued and killed for it;
Will you condemn them on the day of Jugment? Do you think you will have your head held up high, looking down on them?
Because they didn't follow the same worthless things that you did?

Tell me, If you die a peaceful death in comfort and have a nice burial for yourself, having gone your whole life shoving this yeast in people's faces, burning leavened bread on Gods altar, what do you think you will be compared to a man who was simple― yet brave in righteous behavor, and gave himself as a sacrifice for the cause of Good?
 
I am pretty sure that is false, even if you have a broad definition of 'tongues' that has little or nothing to do with what they are in scripture.
Do you have any evidence to back up you assertion? Scholars who have observed the experience cannot find the differences you seem to be asserting exist.
 
The spoken words of Yeshua are in the Bible. That's how you find them by reading the Bible.

No. those are actually the written words.
Tongues is a sign to the lost.
Interesting, just like the Pharisees to claim a Gift of the Holy Spirit to be demonic...

Well that is a very small part of what tongues are. You can find the rest by reading the Bible.

The Holy Spirit gives the Utterance.
Read your Bible.

Rude and kinda dumb too. How does that benefit the lost though? What you believe is actually not in the Bible.
 
Scripture refutes what you have come to believe.

1. " Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5

It is no coincidence that the initial conversion accounts pertaining to individuals of each group of humanity involved both water and Spirit. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)


2. "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4, 10:43-48, 19:1-7


3. The first verse in this account refutes the idea you that the blood of Jesus is secondary, as you suggest. It reveals, it is in fact the shed blood of Jesus that makes being born again even possible!

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine... Acts 2:36-41

4. Paul revealed how a person is water baptized matters. He re-baptized those who John baptized previously. "And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." Acts 19:3-5

5. As shared previously, Paul's letter to the Ephesians indicated they were sealed with the Holy Ghost after hearing the word of truth. The word of truth Paul preached to them is recorded in Acts 19:1-7. Paul stayed in Ephesus with the 12 men who had placed their trust in Jesus. Their willingness to believe and obey Jesus' messenger resulted in their being reborn of water and Spirit. But sadly, as seen today, many in Ephesus chose not to believe the gospel message Paul proclaimed.

Acts 19:8-10
"And he (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks."


Jesus did not tell those who believed on him that they were good to go. What He told them was, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32)

Scripture refutes what you have come to believe.
 
So you think Jesus meant speaking in tongues if we hunger and thirst after righteousness? That's a new low even coming from you.
Actually those who hunger and thirst after righteousness will be filled/satisfied as a result of their deep desire for spiritual truth, righteousness, and God's presence accomplished as revealed in God's Word. (2 Tim 2:15)
 
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I am pretty sure that is false, even if you have a broad definition of 'tongues' that has little or nothing to do with what they are in scripture.
You are the one making the assertion and I'm expressing doubt of your assertion so you can provide the evidence. You can just count the name all the religions in the world and list the ones that have speaking in tongues and present evidence.

And speaking in tongues in these other religions isn't really speaking in tongues and it's not the same thing in Acts or as what critical linguists might say about pentecostalism for example Buddhist chanting isn't the same thing.
 
I noted that many years ago. YOU note that nowhere does he say you must speak in tongues for salvation.

Now it's Paul this and Paul that. You seem to have dropped Acts on its head. So phony.
You are too funny. For the record, insight about biblical topics is found throughout different sections of the New Testament—such as the Gospels, Acts, and the Epistles.
 
Good thing I'm not listening to you as I drive cause I would drive into a pole having fallen asleep at your never ending insistence that you must be listened to.

Actually there are more than 2. If you know so much, you should know that.
Instead of focusing on the need to ridicule you might actually consider studying the account. The point Paul was making matters. His example indicated there is a time and a place for personal communication with God vs being used to present a message to others for God.
 
"Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers...

If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.
-1 Corinthians 14: 22, 27-28


(My apology for not adding any commentary to this, but, if Scripture is clear and articulate, there's nothing I should add to it)
I came here to post this. Thank you!

I had one of these stray cats ("you must speak in tongues to be a believer") try to come into our spiritual house. Thankfully he tipped his hand before he could cause any confusion.
 
"Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers...

If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.
-1 Corinthians 14: 22, 27-28


(My apology for not adding any commentary to this, but, if Scripture is clear and articulate, there's nothing I should add to it)
Tongues is not a sign for believers because they expect to speak in tongues. Whereas, unbelievers see prophecy (tongues and interpretation) as a sign of God's presence. 1 Cor 14:22-25
 
If you would read your bibles, you would find out that believers in Christ belong to the tribes of Israel, Jacob, and the rest of those who have faith like Abraham.
And that God will bring back those who call on his Name to the land of Zion, all who uphold righteousness and justice throughout their lives, and commands that no one eats yeast with their passover; that is, putting man-made things before the ancient word of God.

'AoG', 'Church of God', and those many others who hold their fancy title to a high degree, are simply delusions that God doesn't need.
And even though there are righteous beople in them, those titles will be stripped away from them on the day of Judgment, cast into the fire, and never remembered again.

This being said, tongues will begiven to whoever God will give it, and Prophecy will be given to whoever God will give it, but simple faith and charity are the pillars of Gods chosen. It will be practiced by them whether they were maimed, blind, or raised on a desert island, and those who think their sacramental ways have a bearing will be put to shame.

See, you're so privilaged to be living in a gaudy nation that has all these high things that are going to expire, (all your honours and wealth is obtained in complete abundance and safety, no real strenuous or wearisome sacrifice is made by you), and you are so comfortable and high-headed that you think you have the right to tear others down over nothing.

Yet what will those people in those others countries do, who believe the Gospel? How will someone in Uganda come to your church, or someone who calls on God in mongolia hear about your pentacostal doctrines?
If someone in a muslim country valiantly stands for their faith, having nothing but the word of Christ for their testimony, having never partook in your church rituals, or wasted their time hearing worthless interpretations made by man who wanted to have their own 'creed' here on earth, and they are brutally tortued and killed for it;
Will you condemn them on the day of Jugment? Do you think you will have your head held up high, looking down on them?
Because they didn't follow the same worthless things that you did?

Tell me, If you die a peaceful death in comfort and have a nice burial for yourself, having gone your whole life shoving this yeast in people's faces, burning leavened bread on Gods altar, what do you think you will be compared to a man who was simple― yet brave in righteous behavor, and gave himself as a sacrifice for the cause of Good?
It's sad you see sharing the truth in love as a despicable thing. (Eph. 4:15-16)
 
I came here to post this. Thank you!

I had one of these stray cats ("you must speak in tongues to be a believer") try to come into our spiritual house. Thankfully he tipped his hand before he could cause any confusion.
Consider that tongues is not a sign for believers because they expect to speak in tongues.

Notice Acts 8:12-18 reveals believers expect evidence of the infilling. Philip and the Samaritans knew the Holy Ghost had not been given. And in fact it wasn't until days after believing in Jesus, and obeying the command to be water baptized in His name that they finally received the Holy Ghost.