A Genesis debate re.

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Who are the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2

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"sons of God" is a phrase that is specified to angels, but the concept of the sons of God is not limited to angels. Throughout all of scripture, Old and New, God identifies Himself as a Father to those that follow Him.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
 
RickShafer said:
'Sons of God' is a phrase used repeatedly in the O.T. to describe angels.
Also if there was a sort of super race developed by this gene splicing/ manipulation;
it would explain the need for God the destroy all flesh(mankind) on the earth.
And also it would explain the greek gods.
Noah's sons lived a long time to tell others what it was like before the flood.
These could be the stories of god-like men that so many cultures have from the earliest times of antiquity.
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Hello Rick, we are definitely on the same page here. It was just a week ago it dawned on my little brain just where mythology was born, and I had thought to post on it, but then I thought again.

Your succinct reference suits its merit for discussion.

Yahweh, God, had allowed mankind to go its various ways without Him until Abraham. If people would realize all of these facets of history regarding the Word, things would be a lot easier.

Let us all keep up the prayer works for those on the East Coast who are truly suffering the aftermath of Sandy. This is going to endure for some time to come; may Yahweh, God, help us all, amen.
 
In (Gen 6:4) the scriptures tell us that there were giants on the earth in those days, and after that. Without wildly speculating, where did this giants come from? Why is there a distinction made between men (Adam) that multiplied on the earth in (v.1) and these giants (nephil) or these men (enowsh) of renown, who were mighty men (gibbowr)? These sons of God came unto the daughters of men (Adam). The way this verse is written it communicates something out of the ordinary manner of sons and daughters that man begat.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Do we now switch our focus on man now being called the 'sons of God', when Adam alone had that title? Adam was the son of God but Seth, who was born of Adam, was the son of Adam made in his own likeness and after his image (Gen 5:3, Lk 3:38). There is only (5) references in the OT scriptures that mention the 'sons of God', (3) in Job...1:6, 2:1, 38:7, which we have sufficient evidence to refer to them (plural) as masculine angels created by God individually and as a host, who were with God from the foundation of the earth. The other (2) are found in Gen... 6:2,4. Do we make a distinction and separate the 'sons of God' in Genesis from the 'sons of God' mentioned in Job? Remember, the only man in the OT scriptures that is referred to as, 'son of God' is Adam. In (Dan 3:25) we have king seeing the fourth man in the furnace that had the form of the 'Son of God'. This is singular and is referring to Christ.

Again I ask. Where and from whom did the giants come from?
 
RickyZ said:
Would they? Our 'curse' is being born into a fallen nature. They wouldn't have been born with it, so would they have fallen too? They obviously decided to join us, evidently, which may be why God sets them apart for a special judgment.

Fallen angels are what make up demons. I think they're a different animal. If Adam and Eve had had children before the fall (they were told to go forth and multiply, and we have no idea how long that went on before the apple incident) these offspring would have had the spiritual embodiment that we fallen lack. In that sense they would be angel-like.

Of course, I could be wrong...
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You've done some really good thinking.

The other side is that "adam" is a plural noun in Hebrew. (as it is used at the end of Jonah: Ninevah is a ctiy of 120,000 adam, not adamim). The entire family could have fallen together. But I think they were born after as well.

Angelic children are another option. Philo says everyone before Enosh was an archetype. There is a story that Adam first had children by the demon Lilith (Gen 5:3, the others were not in Adam's own image), and another that Adam and Eve were balls of light, until God gave them skin. None of this is Scriptural, but it seems pretty clear from the Hebrew words of Genesis 1, that God is speaking of the first people as spirits rather than as bodies. My opinion is that before Enosh, we looked at ourselves more through God's eyes, seeing the spirit side, more than the physical.

I'm not certain that fallen angels are demons. I know saved ex-witches who manufactured demons upon desire, and in the 1970's the Toronto Society for Psychical research made one as an experiment.
 
Laodicea said:
Read the context, Genesis 4 mentions Cains line who did not follow God, while Genesis 5 mentions Seth's line who were followers of God. Then chapter 6 the 2 lines come together. God also told Israel not to marry unbelievers and every time they did it ended up in apostasy.
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That is my opinion also. The Jews read the context, and they came up with the opposite opinion. I have no idea why.
 
Red33 said:
In (Gen 6:4) the scriptures tell us that there were giants on the earth in those days, and after that. Without wildly speculating, where did this giants come from? Why is there a distinction made between men (Adam) that multiplied on the earth in (v.1) and these giants (nephil) or these men (enowsh) of renown, who were mighty men (gibbowr)? These sons of God came unto the daughters of men (Adam). The way this verse is written it communicates something out of the ordinary manner of sons and daughters that man begat.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Do we now switch our focus on man now being called the 'sons of God', when Adam alone had that title? Adam was the son of God but Seth, who was born of Adam, was the son of Adam made in his own likeness and after his image (Gen 5:3, Lk 3:38). There is only (5) references in the OT scriptures that mention the 'sons of God', (3) in Job...1:6, 2:1, 38:7, which we have sufficient evidence to refer to them (plural) as masculine angels created by God individually and as a host, who were with God from the foundation of the earth. The other (2) are found in Gen... 6:2,4. Do we make a distinction and separate the 'sons of God' in Genesis from the 'sons of God' mentioned in Job? Remember, the only man in the OT scriptures that is referred to as, 'son of God' is Adam. In (Dan 3:25) we have king seeing the fourth man in the furnace that had the form of the 'Son of God'. This is singular and is referring to Christ.

Again I ask. Where and from whom did the giants come from?
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Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
This seems to say the giants were the product of the sons of God coming to earth into the daughters of men. KJV. Does anyone else get this understanding from the selected verses?
 
May of missed some one else bring this for consideration.

Job 1
6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
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No one creates a demon.
They might conjure one up but make one? - No.
These were fallen angels who were doing genetic experiments with humans.
(Only women can give birth) - So it says they found the women to be fair.
Meaning they carried out their mutations in the wombs of women.
As both Red and Jack said - the plural term 'sons of God' is only used for angels.
To say it was the line of Seth is an old racist tale, the same people who ascribed to this also claimed that negros were Cain's seed.....
complete drivel.
 
RickShafer said:
No one creates a demon.
They might conjure one up but make one? - No.
These were fallen angels who were doing genetic experiments with humans.
(Only women can give birth) - So it says they found the women to be fair.
Meaning they carried out their mutations in the wombs of women.
As both Red and Jack said - the plural term 'sons of God' is only used for angels.
To say it was the line of Seth is an old racist tale, the same people who ascribed to this also claimed that negros were Cain's seed.....
complete drivel.
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Same place i ended up 30 years ago.
Still stuck on seed after its own kind.

Apparently then the idea must be that these angels were
manufacturing some kind of material dna that would fit.
Rather than sex only.
 
I think (and this is only my opinion), that some of the fallen angels were trying to ruin the gene pool.
So the promised one could not come. (That's only my opinion)
And how they did it is up to speculation. They have super intelligence.
They might have been able to keep fetuses alive as in a labratory,
or they might have been rearranging the very DNA strands of the ovum or sperm....who knows.
They might have been splicing certain DNA from beasts or even dragons(dinasaurs) - (Job -Leviathan, also behemoth).
Or maybe they just found hosts who completely gave themselves over to be inhabited and they literally copulated? - Who knows.
I know they can't(or don't do any of that anymore) because those that were engaged in this activity
were sent early to hell. (See Satan was smart, he let his henchmen do the dirty work so they would
have to take the blame.)
 
Red33 said:
In (Gen 6:4) the scriptures tell us that there were giants on the earth in those days, and after that. Without wildly speculating, where did this giants come from? Why is there a distinction made between men (Adam) that multiplied on the earth in (v.1) and these giants (nephil) or these men (enowsh) of renown, who were mighty men (gibbowr)? These sons of God came unto the daughters of men (Adam). The way this verse is written it communicates something out of the ordinary manner of sons and daughters that man begat.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Do we now switch our focus on man now being called the 'sons of God', when Adam alone had that title? Adam was the son of God but Seth, who was born of Adam, was the son of Adam made in his own likeness and after his image (Gen 5:3, Lk 3:38). There is only (5) references in the OT scriptures that mention the 'sons of God', (3) in Job...1:6, 2:1, 38:7, which we have sufficient evidence to refer to them (plural) as masculine angels created by God individually and as a host, who were with God from the foundation of the earth. The other (2) are found in Gen... 6:2,4. Do we make a distinction and separate the 'sons of God' in Genesis from the 'sons of God' mentioned in Job? Remember, the only man in the OT scriptures that is referred to as, 'son of God' is Adam. In (Dan 3:25) we have king seeing the fourth man in the furnace that had the form of the 'Son of God'. This is singular and is referring to Christ.

Again I ask. Where and from whom did the giants come from?
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Hello Red, and Shalom, I am pasting a short Psalm below, where it is written that we are all "gods" and sons of the Most High. No, I do not pretend to understand it exactly, but it seems to address what you have posted here.

Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Psa 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
Psa 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Psa 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
Psa 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
 
"Ye gods, children of the most high."
Small "g", denotes a difference from "sons of God"with a big "G".
Is that in the hebrew? Maybe Jaume or Kenisyes could look it up.
 
RickShafer said:
"Ye gods, children of the most high."
Small "g", denotes a difference from "sons of God"with a big "G".
Is that in the hebrew? Maybe Jaume or Kenisyes could look it up.
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Good Lord! I hope you do not think I entertain for a moment that we are gods with a capital G?

In my own Hebrew studies I am aware that the appellation for God, Elohim, is also applied to strong people and to false gods.

There are no capitals in Hebrew, so the word elohim is the same for God as for gods. Of course I know the difference.

The quote is there simply to inform of the verses for referencing to the subject of the thread.

When our Lord was accused of making Himself equal to Yahweh, He quoted the very same Psalm, saying, "Is it not written you are gods."


Giants could easily and properly be referred to as elohim, which is translated "gods." Obviously in the Psalm it is being used as "gods" by inference when noting the promise that we would die as does any beast.

A few words to the wise should be more than sufficient.
 
So that is technically one place where mankind was called "gods".
O.K. - but the term 'sons of God' is still only found in regards to angels then.
 
RickShafer said:
So that is technically one place where mankind was called "gods".
O.K. - but the term 'sons of God' is still only found in regards to angels then.
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It is written when we believe in the Only Begotten Son of Yahweh, God, we obtain the power to become sons of God.

You believe, so you are a son of Yahweh, God, though not yet perfected. Only One Son of God is Begotten of Him.

No, I cannot be more clear, but I am certain you get the idea, probably better than I. Blessed be the Lord, Yeshua, and blessed be our Dad; they are One with the Holy Spirit, amen.........
 
Ok and here comes Cobus with his opinion... As I have great respect for the Angels of God, The holy angels, I will think they would be special in God's eyes as well. God's angls OBEY GOD! and I know God did not intend for HIS angels to pare with human women. Why? Well even the 144000 men were not to be defiled by women. They were virgins, and I believe all God's angels also has no sex drive or liking in earthly women!

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Angels of God does not do anything God does not will, the only sons of God that did that are now known as EVIL ANGELS. Psalms 78:49.
 
RickShafer said:
"Ye gods, children of the most high."
Small "g", denotes a difference from "sons of God"with a big "G".
Is that in the hebrew? Maybe Jaume or Kenisyes could look it up.
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JaumJ did a good job. God is sometimes called Elohim. a god (small g) is sometimes called eloh. The plural of eloh is elohim. The word thus has two meaning in Hebrew. Additional confusion comes when we start getting into the Greek Scriptures. In Greek, theos (god or God) is never applied to a man, whereas, eloh is applied to judges in Hebrew. Unless of course the theories advanced in this thread that the Greek gods were men in some way. The Greek word comes from "founder", as in God founded th heavens and the earth, and Venus founded the perception of beauty.
 
Bookends said:
6 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.


Some say the Sons of God in verse 2 is referring to fallen angels. Some say it's line of Seth. What do you say?... I'll comment my position through-out the comments
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I think they were the fallen Angels my self
 
RickShafer said:
No one creates a demon.
They might conjure one up but make one? - No.
These were fallen angels who were doing genetic experiments with humans.
(Only women can give birth) - So it says they found the women to be fair.
Meaning they carried out their mutations in the wombs of women.
As both Red and Jack said - the plural term 'sons of God' is only used for angels.
To say it was the line of Seth is an old racist tale, the same people who ascribed to this also claimed that negros were Cain's seed.....
complete drivel.
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Whether people have made demons might depend on your definition of a demon. There are at least three different definitions I know of throughout Christian history.

I am thrilled that someone else is willing to consider a genetic experiment hypothesis. The UFO creator false religion put this forward almost 20 years ago, and most people rejected it out of hand because of who started it, but it IS what the ancient evidence suggests.

Do you feel the same way about the claims it was the line of Cain?

While we are analyzing elohim, let's take a look at "sons". Beni in Hebrew, not yalad (another word it could have been). My take is that "ben" refers to inheritance, "yalad" refers to physical DNA through birth. They could also have been sons of God, because they stayed and prayed for 200 years to be let back into the garden, and thus inherited wisdom from God (Gill's commentary says this is the reason, quoting the "arabic writers").
 
I don't know Kenisyes,
All I think is there was some strange mutant things going on preflood.
For one thing, the atmosphere was dense, like twice the oxygen.
There was a layer of water way up in the high atmosphere. The whole thing was like a greenhouse.
That's why thing grew so big, plus I believe people did live very long lives.
Can you imagine how and unrepentant sinner who is healthy for hundreds of years....
how evil they could get?
It stands out the righteousness of Enoch and later Noah.
But I don't know.
Do tell more.
 
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