You should check out the German SDA church that thought Hitler was a savior. From disfellowshipping members of Jewish descent to changing the name of Sabbath School to avoid persecution to race betterment programs, they definitely had some interesting things going on over there. Oh and that Saturday observance became optional all of a sudden for soldiers, with them quoting Joshua 6.
A friend who was raised Adventist had a grandfather who took nutritional supplements that helped him stay healthy. He had to check into a nursing home temporarily that was known for special treatments.
I wasn't aware of them in Germany. That history is sad, but we can/should learn from it.
Ai is a creation of the World, as like the Gutenberg press, can be USED for good or evil.. it depends on the person behind the tool.
You folks are trying to make ALL SDA's look evil, by the actions a few notable SDA people and instances, throughout history.
I’m sorry you feel that way but you’re definitely wrong. I’m not trying to make all SDA’s look evil. I am trying to help all SDA’s see the truth. The truth is that Kellogg was full of evil and Ellen supported his work in doing that evil. She said his work was appointed by God.
She in fact was not God’s messenger just as Joseph smith, Jim jones, David Koresh, Mary Eddy, Charles Russel, and l. Ron Hubbard weren’t God’s messenger.
Wrong again. I don’t hate ellen nor sda members. I don’t even hate Kellogg. I hate that he tortured children. I hate that ellen was a false prophet that supported him. I hate that sda members are blind to the truth. I hate that sda doctrine condemns 95% of Christian’s based off a day with zero scriptural support.
Ironic that that German sda church considered a Roman Catholic dictator to be a savior.
I hate the way people use the “the devil hates me so I must be right” card. And again she was a plagiarist and a false prophet. I also hate when the devil convinces people to follow false prophets. The Lord hates it also.
Do you honestly not see how you put yourself above others as if you’re the only one that has the truth? And for some reason instead of Jesus passing that truth through the apostles, you believe he waited 1800 years to pass it through ellen. The JW’s and Mormons believe the exact same thing.
No one on here is hating you. People hate false doctrine. People hate false prophecy. People hate pride. People hate non scriptural condemnation. If someone is trying to get you to see that you follow a false prophet it is because they love you and don’t want to see you led astray.
That’s very sad. It really should tell a person something if a diet is not sustainable without supplements, then it’s not the correct diet. There’s a very popular ultra runner, Andy Glaze that happens to be vegan. He’s not a huge promoter of it but does promote it some. He also admits he takes 25 pills worth of supplements every morning. Basically his diet comes straight out of a lab. I don’t get it.
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Completely false. Kelloggs book was published in 1879 describing his torturous treatments of children. Ellen had nothing but good to say about him until after his book on pantheism was published in 1903. And for the most part their separation was only due to his pantheistic views and rejecting her interpretation not his torturous treatments. Again you try to explain away something instead of simply answering the question.
Well, the word "hate" pretty much fit's the idea.. of wanting to "Denigrate ( kill) the Messenger of God", because you don't agree that she IS a messenger of God, becuz you don't want to acknowledge her Holy Spirit inspired message as Truth. that applies to YOU.
And Scripture is even clearer:
And ultimately:
You still refuse to answer the question. Read her statements below. Do you agree with her or not? Was God near to him with angels in his presence? Did god appoint him to pour acid on children? Was he God’s physician? Everyone of these statements were written by he from 6 to 10+ years after it was publicly known of his practices that he continued to do at the sanitarium.Well, the word "hate" pretty much fit's the idea.. of wanting to "Denigrate ( kill) the Messenger of God", because you don't agree that she IS a messenger of God, becuz you don't want to acknowledge her Holy Spirit inspired message as Truth. that applies to YOU.
You are bring up a valid point, which exposes three separate issues:
- What Dr. taught and practiced
- What she actually knew, endorsed, or rebuked
- How Adventist pioneers understood progressive light, institutional loyalty, and later apostasy
1. Kellogg’s early work vs. later deviation
It is historically accurate that Kellogg’s 1879 book (Plain Facts for Old and Young) described extreme and harmful medical interventions regarding sexuality (including children). However, two key contextual facts are essential:
(a) These views were not unique to Kellogg
In the late 19th century, many physicians (both religious and secular) promoted harsh anti-masturbation treatments. This does not justify them, but it explains why they were not immediately singled out as uniquely aberrant.
(b) His early reputation was based on other work
Kellogg was widely known for:
Ellen White’s early endorsements were directed toward:
- Health reform
- Sanitarium work
- Medical missionary service
- His institutional work
- His health reform efforts —not his detailed medical theories on sexuality.
2. What Ellen White actually endorsed (and what she did not)
Ellen White did at times affirm that Kellogg’s medical missionary work was “appointed” or providential. But this must be carefully qualified:
She endorsed:
- The health reform movement
- The sanitarium ministry
- The idea that medical work was part of the gospel
She did NOT endorse:
Her own writings consistently oppose harm:
- Specific abusive treatments
- His later theological ideas
- Any cruelty toward children
And Scripture is even clearer:
Thus, any harmful treatment of children is fundamentally incompatible with both Scripture and Ellen White’s ethical framework.
- “Suffer the little children to come unto me… for of such is the kingdom of God” (Mark 10:14, KJV)
- “It were better… that a millstone were hanged about his neck…” (Luke 17:2)
3. Why no strong early public rebuke?
This is the heart of your question. Several historically grounded reasons explain the timeline:
(1) Limited focus and knowledge
Ellen White:
There is no clear evidence she publicly analyzed or endorsed those specific 1879 treatments.
- Did not function as a medical reviewer of every publication
- Often addressed spiritual and institutional issues, not technical medical details
(2) Progressive correction pattern
Ellen White often followed a biblical pattern seen in Scripture:
Compare:
- God works with individuals progressively
- Correction intensifies when light is rejected
Likewise, Kellogg:
- was supported before his sin was rebuked (2 Samuel 11–12)
- was affirmed before being publicly corrected (Galatians 2:11)
- Was initially used in a significant work
- Later resisted correction
(3) The real breaking point: theology, not medicine
The major public rupture came with Kellogg’s pantheistic ideas in The Living Temple (1903).
Why was this decisive?
Because it struck at the core of the gospel:
As your document notes:
- It undermined God’s transcendence
- It confused Creator and creation
- It affected the atonement and sanctuary doctrine
For Ellen White, this was not a secondary issue—it was foundational.
- The Catholic system was criticized for eclipsing Christ’s mediatorial work
- Likewise, Kellogg’s pantheism blurred Christ’s distinct role
(4) Institutional caution
Kellogg was:
Immediate public denunciation of every issue could:
- A leading physician
- Head of a major institution
Thus, her approach was:
- Damage the entire medical missionary work
- Create division before clear evidence and resistance appeared
- Initially supportive
- Privately corrective
- Publicly decisive when apostasy became clear
4. Adventist theological principle at work
Your question connects to a larger pattern:
False systems tend to fall into two extremes:
(A) Roman Catholic error (as understood by Adventists)
- Salvation involves meritorious works
- Human effort contributes to justification
(B) Some modern Protestant (dispensational) error
- Obedience minimized or dismissed
- Grace separated from transformation
(C) Kellogg’s deviation (different but related danger)
- Blurring God and creation (pantheism)
- Undermining the need for a distinct atonement
5. Biblical balance (Adventist position)
Scripture harmonizes the issue clearly:
And your document affirms:
- “By grace are ye saved through faith… not of works” (Ephesians 2:8–9)
- “Created… unto good works” (Ephesians 2:10)
- “Faith without works is dead” (James 2:17)
- “Salvation is all of grace and not of works, but its fruitage is obedience”
6. Final assessment
So, to your central question:
Why did Ellen White speak positively of Kellogg before 1903?
Because:
- She was endorsing his medical missionary work, not every teaching
- The most dangerous issue (pantheism) had not yet fully manifested
- Correction followed a progressive, biblical pattern
- There is no evidence she knowingly approved abusive practices toward children
Did she support harmful treatments?
No.
Such practices contradict:
- Scripture
- Her own ethical and theological writings
Closing reflection
The situation illustrates a sobering biblical reality:
God may use individuals in one phase of their life, yet later they may depart from truth.
As Paul warns:
And ultimately:
- Truth is not validated by a person
- Every teaching must be tested by Scripture (Acts 17:11)
If you would like, I can provide direct Ellen White quotations about Kellogg (with verified sources) to examine exactly what she said at each stage !
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Nah. I asked a simple yes or no question and you replied with a bunch of garbage on how their relationship was technical and blah blah blah. I provided you the direct Ellen white quotes of her supporting evil and giving God credit for such evil. It’s ok you don’t have to answer. I’ll just take it as you support the evil too.
Your yes OR no question, is a "trick" question, becuz ... The answer is yes AND no !!
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I’m not talking about her rebuking him for his pantheism views. She endorsed him after and during his torturing of children and claimed falsely that he was appointed by God to do it. The answer to the question if you have a heart attack all and especially if you follow Jesus is no. The fact that you refuse to disagree with your little false prophet ellen shows that you follow her and not Christ. You are brainwashed.Your yes OR no question, is a "trick" question, becuz ... The answer is yes AND no !!
Yes ! EGW promoted Kellogg BEFORE he apostatized, both spiritually and technically..
Then withdrew support of him, AFTER she realized his apostasy.
That "garage" that you refer to is historical FACT, that even you can verify.. But you don't want to believe it, to maintain your false (prophet) argument.
I was VERY clear in that little bit of research that I presented you. I'm sure you understand this "before" and "after" concept of someone changing there opinion of someone, based on their actions and what comes out of their mouth. "by their fruits you shall know them"
As! By your fruits, I know YOU ! ... all I can deduce by your refusal to accept the facts that EGW .. is NOT a False Prophet, is to conclude that your efforts to malign EGW is a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from YOU being a spiritual False Prophet of Scripture. Not unlike eg. one of 400 prophets in 1 Kings 22:6-12 and 2 Kings 10:19 served as "yes-men" to King Ahab, predicting victory before the battle of Ramoth-Gilead, but who were later revealed to be false. (prophets)
TODAY ! ... at these END of Days, just before the eminent return of our Lord Jesus, False Prophets will appear to present a false Christianity, of disobedience to Jesus and the Father God. Which I refer to as, your Religion of Disobedience.
Matt 7:15
- Revelation 13:11-14 introduces the False Prophet as a beast rising from the earth with two horns like a lamb but speaking like a dragon, who performs great signs to deceive people into worshiping the first beast.
- Revelation 16:13 identifies the False Prophet as one of the three sources of unclean spirits resembling frogs that come out of the mouths of the dragon, the beast, and the False Prophet to gather nations for battle.
- Revelation 19:20 details his capture alongside the Beast, noting that he performed signs to deceive those who received the mark of the Beast, and both were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Jeremiah 14:14 and Jeremiah 23:16 are cited as Old Testament precedents for prophets who speak lies in God's name.
Also; Matthew 24:11, Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22, 2 Peter 2:1, and 1 John 4:1
I'll be expounding on this idea here soon, and I will for sure have you in mind, along with other notables, as excellent examples.
( don't have time now.. today is Prep Day, getting ready for tomorrow, the Sabbath. !
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