Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

[pinebeach]

Don't you support everything that comes from the EG White, the seventh day prophetess raised up likened to Moses?

She absolutely does, but is hoping if she posts enough OT scripture, ripping it out of context and creating new meaning to it, while inserting a bit of NT scripture, you will not be so convinced of her absolute support of the false and dangerous person that began this SDA cult.

I have learned that, just as in any other group, there are different flavors of SDA. Some are quite lenient while others, want to send Christians who go to church on Sunday, to hell claiming it is the mark of the beast.

Guess which one she favors?

 

[rrcn]

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As long as you are so intent on what scripture 'actually' says, then take this to heart:

The law was not given until 430 years AFTER Abraham so Abraham never obeyed the law. Yet, scripture tells us that God considered him to be righteous. Do you Judaizers not understand that? Has that escaped your so great knowledge of the Bible or has your teacher Ellen White failed on this point with each person responsible before God themself failing to be responsible in that they follow a false teacher, such as you are doing, and cannot attest to actual scriptural representation of the gospel before God Himself?

Looking at Galatians 3, we see that God considered Abraham to be righteous. Yet you want us to believe that somehow following the law is the righteousness God desires when, 430 years BEFORE the law was given, Abraham was saved because he simply believed God.

The law is not the 10 commandments alone. You cannot choose bits and pieces of the law and commend yourself that you follow it because you say you observe Saturday as the day God wants to be worshipped.

The Bible differs with you:

[Gen 26:5 KJV] 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

[Mal 3:6 KJV] 6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 

[JesusLives]

You aren't confused. Let's not play coy here. You are simply repeating Adventist doctrine and since I already expressed my beliefs from scripture in my response to your SDA doctrine, how is it you pretend you don't know what I believe?

You have the nerve to ask if I am a Christian? I really have hardly ever said in this forum 'shame on you' but I cannot define how badly I think of you for even having the nerve to ask such a thing other than to say SHAME ON YOU!. And truly, there are a number of people here I have on ignore and because of your hypocritical false post to me, pretending you do not see what I said, I'm also putting you on that list.

I don't think you are here for any other reason that to deny that Christians are actually saved. That is a common refrain for you Adventists. The way you SDAers pretend you follow the 10 commandments is laughable. The law is not 10, it is 613.

I really feel for you as you seem so angry and upset. I feel at peace and am trying to live in the kingdom of God here on earth. I'm trying to love my neighbor and erase evil from my life with the Holy Spirit's help. Trying to treat people the way God would want me to treat them. Trying very hard not to judge them as it isn't my place to do that. Wish you nothing but the best and if you must block me then that is your right to do so. Have a blessed day.

 

[pinebeach]

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The Bible differs with you:

[Gen 26:5 KJV] 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

[Mal 3:6 KJV] 6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

It appears you have no connection to the New Testament and the gospel of Jesus, but nonetheless, we still know that the Mosaic law was given to Israel 430 years AFTER Abraham was declared righteous because of his faith. Christians are declared righteous by God by their faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the Savior of all who put their faith in Him.

I probably am more familiar with, undertand it better and appreciate the Old Testament better than any Adventist here. I understand that God alone is holy and yet in His mercy He gave us the solution to our inability to keep 613 laws.

His name is Jesus. Jesus was prophesied in the Old Testament...try reading a very obvious prophecy in Isaiah 53 so you saying God does not change is actually a problem of you not understanding that He really does not. You simply offer that up as delusional one-upmanship since you deny God's character in His only Son and seem to think you can somehow create your very own righteousness by following 10 laws that no one can keep, possibly the dead, when it is actually specified as 613 in the Book of the Law.

Honestly, there is nothing any one of you can possibly say or incorrrectly quote from scripture, that takes the place of salvation by faith in Christ alone. His atonement is our atonement before God who is holy and not interested in your law keeping.

 

[BBerean]

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The Bible differs with you:

[Gen 26:5 KJV] 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

[Mal 3:6 KJV] 6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Find a single verse in the Bible that calls Sunday the Lords day ? None I checked. Sabbath many I checked .

 

[Inquisitor]

@pinebeach & Et al

Galatians 1:6-9 "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed."

1. The Core Idea: Perversion Leads to Disobedience​

• Paul warns that some are turning “to a different gospel…to pervert the gospel of Christ” (Galatians 1:6-7).
• This perversion leads people away from obedience to God, turning faith into a false religion.

Supporting Scriptures:

• Matthew 7:21-23 – Jesus warns:

• This shows that a religion that seems spiritual but rejects God’s will is ultimately false.

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2. False Prophet and Religion of Disobedience​

• The “other gospel” is often preached by false prophets who appear righteous but lead people into disobedience.

Supporting Scriptures:

• 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 – Paul warns:

• These are teachers who twist the gospel to lead people into sin, just as the “other gospel” does.
• Romans 16:17-18 – Paul also says:

• Again, false teaching leads believers away from obedience to God’s law.

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3. The “Other Gospel” Leads to Disobedience​

• The essence of the “other gospel” is that it rejects God’s commandments while claiming to offer salvation.
• Obedience and faith are inseparable; a gospel that removes obedience is a religion of disobedience.

Supporting Scriptures:

• James 2:17 – “Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”
• 1 John 3:4-6 – “Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.”
• These verses show that faith without obedience is not true faith; the “other gospel” leads people to continue in sin under the guise of grace.

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4. Summary​

• Galatians 1:6-9 warns against any gospel that distorts Christ’s salvation.
• The “other gospel” is often promoted by false prophets (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) and leads to lawlessness (Matthew 7:21-23; Romans 16:17-18).
• True salvation involves both faith in Christ and obedience to God’s law (James 2:17; 1 John 3:4-6).
• Therefore, the “other gospel” results in a religion of disobedience, which Paul condemns as accursed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ~~ Blessed Sabbath Folks ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++​

Some advice Rob7.

Always use "Scripture only" before you ask AI to comment.

If you don't hold AI to "Scripture only" you will get someone's opinion, which pollutes the apostle's
instruction.

Using scripture only.


Galatians 1:6–9 (KJV)

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

What that “other gospel” is — from Scripture:

“This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Galatians 3:2)

“Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?” (Galatians 3:3)

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse…” (Galatians 3:10)

“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” (Galatians 5:4)

“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free…
Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” (Galatians 5:1–2)

“For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.” (Galatians 5:3)

“A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.” (Galatians 5:9)

“As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised…” (Galatians 6:12)

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Summary from these passages (Scripture-defined):

The “other gospel” is:

• Turning from grace to law (Galatians 1:6; 5:4)
• Seeking justification or perfection by works of the law (Galatians 3:2–3; 5:3)
• Specifically being compelled toward circumcision as obligation (Galatians 5:2–3; 6:12)

This is called:

“a perversion of the gospel of Christ” (Galatians 1:7)

and results in:

“fallen from grace” (Galatians 5:4)

 

[Inquisitor]

No

You cannot pull the ripcord and avoid explaining why you disagree.

Using the scripture only.

I asked you to explain why the 10 commandments are universal and eternal.

The seven laws of Noah omit the sabbath so the Gentiles never had to obey the sabbath commandment.

The ten commandments were given to Israel only.

The seven laws of Noah given to the Gentiles are not the ten commandments.

Which means that the ten commandments are not eternal nor universal.

I asked if you agree with what the scripture states and you said no.

You must support with scripture your claim that the ten commandments are universal and eternal.

If you cannot support your claim that Gentiles are under the law, then your theology collapses.

 

[Inquisitor]

Find a single verse in the Bible that calls Sunday the Lords day ? None I checked. Sabbath many I checked .

The Gentiles were never commanded to practice a sabbath day, only Israel received the sabbath commandment.

Here is how AI answered your question.

The New Testament does not contain an explicit command to observe Sunday as a Sabbath, but it shows early Christians gathering on "the first day of the week" or "the Lord's Day" to celebrate Jesus' resurrection. While the Saturday Sabbath was still recognized, Sunday became the standard day for Christian worship in the first century.

Key Aspects of Sunday in the New Testament:

• The First Day of the Week: Scripture records Jesus' resurrection on this day (Matthew 28:1), and early Christians met to break bread (Acts 20:7) and collect offerings on this day (1 Corinthians 16:2).
• The Lord's Day: Revelation 1:10 refers to "the Lord's Day," which is widely interpreted by scholars and early church fathers (like Ignatius of Antioch) as Sunday.
• A New Covenant Perspective: The Apostle Paul indicated that Christians are not bound by the Old Testament Sabbath laws, which were Saturday-based, suggesting that worshipers could choose to treat all days alike or set apart specific days, including the Lord's Day (Romans 14:5; Colossians 2:16-17).
• Difference from Jewish Sabbath: Sunday is not presented as a replacement for the Saturday Sabbath commandment, but rather a new day of worship commemorating the resurrection.

 

[BBerean]

Find a single verse in the Bible that calls Sunday the Lords day ? None I checked. Sabbath many I checked .

The verse that got my attention in the beginning of is the Sabbath import or not ? Is Matthew 24 v20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter , neither on THE SABBATH DAY. ( That was Jesus speaking about the imminent Great tribulation about to take place . Very clear to me that the Sabbath is still as it always was and will be The Lords Holy day . ) so I do recommend keeping it in obedience to the Lord . I do and get blessed for it ! If you want to do Sunday too ? Sure but not to the neglect of the Sabbath. Ps IA is only a man made devise and don’t get hooked on it , it will lead you astray eventually. Learn to pray to the Lord to give understanding! The only way .

 

[Inquisitor]

The verse that got my attention in the beginning of is the Sabbath import or not ? Is Matthew 24 v20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter , neither on THE SABBATH DAY. ( That was Jesus speaking about the imminent Great tribulation about to take place . Very clear to me that the Sabbath is still as it always was and will be The Lords Holy day . ) so I do recommend keeping it in obedience to the Lord . I do and get blessed for it ! If you want to do Sunday too ? Sure but not to the neglect of the Sabbath. Ps IA is only a man made devise and don’t get hooked on it , it will lead you astray eventually. Learn to pray to the Lord to give understanding! The only way .

The sabbath day is a commandment given to Israel only.

I am a Gentile and the sabbath day was not commanded in the Noahide law.

We are saved by grace and not the observance of a work of the law.

 

[BBerean]

The sabbath day is a commandment given to Israel only.

I am a Gentile and the sabbath day was not commanded in the Noahide law.

We are saved by grace and not the observance of a work of the law.

After careful study I disagree with you . The Lords temple is for all nations . The Sabbath was before the law as well . I get blessed for keeping the Sabbath, and I did not always . The truth will set you free keep seeking it . Amen my final comment on this .

 

[tourist]

That is incorrect Blade.

Ellen believed in a three day and three night duration in the tomb.

A full three days and nights.

So logically, Jesus never rose on the third day but after the third day!

Sort of what happened to Jonah. Wasn't that stay a full three days and nights?

 

[Sipsey]

After careful study I disagree with you . The Lords temple is for all nations . The Sabbath was before the law as well . I get blessed for keeping the Sabbath, and I did not always . The truth will set you free keep seeking it . Amen my final comment on this .

So, you get blessed because you worship on Saturday , and someone else gets blessed for worshipping on Sunday, do you then compare who has been blessed the most?

 

[tourist]

Adventists attack the actual gospel. Jesus is not enough for them. They spit in the face of God's gift and create an irrational and false presentation of Jesus as someone who helps them keep the 10 commandments.

This thread was not created to discuss any particular day of the week, but I would like to remind Adventists they should not be here arguing their false doctrine if they actually observe the Sabbath. How is trying to deny the gospel and replacing it with 613 laws honoring the Sabbath?

It does state though in the 4th commandment to 'Remember'. Perhaps that's a key word. To me, the Sabbath is a complex subject that I don't fully understand but which I should seek guidance. I don't work on Saturday but only because I chose not to. I don't really keep the Sabbath but probably should at least make an attempt to see what it is all about. Something about entering into God's rest or at least an important part of it.

 

[tourist]

You aren't confused. Let's not play coy here. You are simply repeating Adventist doctrine and since I already expressed my beliefs from scripture in my response to your SDA doctrine, how is it you pretend you don't know what I believe?

You have the nerve to ask if I am a Christian? I really have hardly ever said in this forum 'shame on you' but I cannot define how badly I think of you for even having the nerve to ask such a thing other than to say SHAME ON YOU!. And truly, there are a number of people here I have on ignore and because of your hypocritical false post to me, pretending you do not see what I said, I'm also putting you on that list.

I don't think you are here for any other reason that to deny that Christians are actually saved. That is a common refrain for you Adventists. The way you SDAers pretend you follow the 10 commandments is laughable. The law is not 10, it is 613.

Jesus summed up the commandments into 2 commandments. That beats having to keep track of 613.

 

[BBerean]

So, you get blessed because you worship on Saturday , and someone else gets blessed for worshipping on Sunday, do you then compare who has been blessed the most?

That’s the Lords decision.

 

[JesusLives]

The Gentiles were never commanded to practice a sabbath day, only Israel received the sabbath commandment.

Here is how AI answered your question.

The New Testament does not contain an explicit command to observe Sunday as a Sabbath, but it shows early Christians gathering on "the first day of the week" or "the Lord's Day" to celebrate Jesus' resurrection. While the Saturday Sabbath was still recognized, Sunday became the standard day for Christian worship in the first century.

Key Aspects of Sunday in the New Testament:

• The First Day of the Week: Scripture records Jesus' resurrection on this day (Matthew 28:1), and early Christians met to break bread (Acts 20:7) and collect offerings on this day (1 Corinthians 16:2).
• The Lord's Day: Revelation 1:10 refers to "the Lord's Day," which is widely interpreted by scholars and early church fathers (like Ignatius of Antioch) as Sunday.
• A New Covenant Perspective: The Apostle Paul indicated that Christians are not bound by the Old Testament Sabbath laws, which were Saturday-based, suggesting that worshipers could choose to treat all days alike or set apart specific days, including the Lord's Day (Romans 14:5; Colossians 2:16-17).
• Difference from Jewish Sabbath: Sunday is not presented as a replacement for the Saturday Sabbath commandment, but rather a new day of worship commemorating the resurrection.

The Gentiles were never commanded to practice a sabbath day, only Israel received the sabbath commandment.

Genesis 2:2-3

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

At creation God made the 7th day holy which is another word for sanctified and rested from the work he had done the previous 6 days. Sabbath was part of creation not only the 4th commandment.

 

[BBerean]

You some of you need to read Isaiah ch 56

Verse 2 “ the man “ does not say if he is from Israel or not .

Verse 3 “ son of the stranger “ that’s not an Israeli either .

Verse 6 “ son of a stranger “ not a Jew

Verse 7 mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Verse 8 “yet I will gather others to him “

Just a few places of many that God so loved the world is not restricted to the NT . Yes to the Jew first but it does not stop there . Amen

 

[BBerean]

You some of you need to read Isaiah ch 56

Verse 2 “ the man “ does not say if he is from Israel or not .

Verse 3 “ son of the stranger “ that’s not an Israeli either .

Verse 6 “ son of a stranger “ not a Jew

Verse 7 mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Verse 8 “yet I will gather others to him “

Just a few places of many that God so loved the world is not restricted to the NT . Yes to the Jew first but it does not stop there . Amen

Ruth a Moab non Jew in Jesus linage .

 

[BBerean]

Ruth a Moab non Jew in Jesus linage .

AI is artificial and shallow in the things of the word of God and a shame , I’m not impressed but find it evil .