Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the churches!
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Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
Amazing..... all those who 'liked' don't know what it means & neither do you.
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.
Amazing..... all those who 'liked' don't know what it means & neither do you.
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.
The Holy Spirit is with us forever Jesus said.
John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
[SUP]17 [/SUP]that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
The Spirit of truth is with us forever!
2 John 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be with us and in us forever. John 14:16-17. Our Lord is NOT a liar.
John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?
As for your 2 Peter 2 ...here is the answer to that...that has been talked about in light of the New Covenant many times.
The whole chapter 2 in 2 Peter is talking about false prophets in verse 1...then in verse 9 Peter talks about the unrighteous ( the unbeliever )..
then in verse 13..they are stains and blemishes ( believers have no spot or blemish because of Jesus..1 Peter 1:19 Eph 5:27 Eph 1:4 )..all through that chapter he is not describing a believer in Christ.
Even "IF" it is talking about a believer it still does not say they go to hell.
Here is a post #49 from mailmandan that dissects 2 Peter 2:20 down for us. Click the link below to view it. I'll bless you and help you grow in knowing the love of the Lord for you and that you truly are secure in Him.
Twice dead
John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
[SUP]17 [/SUP]that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
The Spirit of truth is with us forever!
2 John 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be with us and in us forever. John 14:16-17. Our Lord is NOT a liar.
John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?
As for your 2 Peter 2 ...here is the answer to that...that has been talked about in light of the New Covenant many times.
The whole chapter 2 in 2 Peter is talking about false prophets in verse 1...then in verse 9 Peter talks about the unrighteous ( the unbeliever )..
then in verse 13..they are stains and blemishes ( believers have no spot or blemish because of Jesus..1 Peter 1:19 Eph 5:27 Eph 1:4 )..all through that chapter he is not describing a believer in Christ.
Even "IF" it is talking about a believer it still does not say they go to hell.
Here is a post #49 from mailmandan that dissects 2 Peter 2:20 down for us. Click the link below to view it. I'll bless you and help you grow in knowing the love of the Lord for you and that you truly are secure in Him.
Twice dead
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Brother disciplemike, you didn't post the last part of that verse:
For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Are we absolutely certain that in this scripture Jesus is telling these people how to live? Or is he revealing the inevitable symptoms of living under the law?
Notice how the Lord brought the scribes and Pharisees into it at the beginning of that scripture:
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
Jesus was trying too explain to the religious teachers that if they teach others to follow the Law of Moses, and yet the teachers themselves fail in one tiny part of the law, they are putting themselves under bondage because no man can fulfill the law. Jesus is trying to set them free, explaining that he himself fulfilled the law.
And while it may initially seem like the religious leaders were genuinely interested in following the Law of Moses, the fact is they were always finding deceptive little ways to interpret the meanings of “Thou Shalt’s” and “Thus Sayeth the Lord” to cover for themselves and yet judge everyone else with it. Jesus saw through them.
Many of us can relate to that mindset because we were “discipled” under those precepts and even now are continually confronted with the demand that we still have to live to fulfill the law or else lose our salvation. It's an impossible feat. For if we try to be good, yet mess up in a tiny little area, we're doomed to lose our salvation, according to this false teaching.
Jesus directed these words at the perverted righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, just like the Spirit directs these words to self-righteous mindset of today’s religious man.
If we choose to live by constant self-examination and judgment of others, pointing at specks and logs in each other’s eyes, we place ourselves in bondage to the law. For we cannot possibly fulfill the whole law. Not for a single second. And here's the amazing thing: we aren't under bondage to the law in reality, it's only in our carnal mind (our own understanding) that men believe that! Jesus fulfilled the law and it is finished. We've been set free!
It is an absolute illusion that we can "live by the spirit according to our obedient flesh", our outward man. You cannot do it. Because the flesh can never be justified in God’s sight. That would be impossible. There is no such thing as obedient flesh. You are a spiritual being, a spiritual temple. God reigns in you. Believe in him.
Jesus took away our sin. Our sin is as far away as the east is from the west. It's a walk of faith now. We walk by faith, not by sight. It is God now at work in you making you into his image and putting his desires in your heart, renewing you from glory to glory. When you believe him, you will see that he is literally keeping you from falling. If you don’t believe him, he still is keeping you… you just don't see it.
For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Are we absolutely certain that in this scripture Jesus is telling these people how to live? Or is he revealing the inevitable symptoms of living under the law?
Notice how the Lord brought the scribes and Pharisees into it at the beginning of that scripture:
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
Jesus was trying too explain to the religious teachers that if they teach others to follow the Law of Moses, and yet the teachers themselves fail in one tiny part of the law, they are putting themselves under bondage because no man can fulfill the law. Jesus is trying to set them free, explaining that he himself fulfilled the law.
And while it may initially seem like the religious leaders were genuinely interested in following the Law of Moses, the fact is they were always finding deceptive little ways to interpret the meanings of “Thou Shalt’s” and “Thus Sayeth the Lord” to cover for themselves and yet judge everyone else with it. Jesus saw through them.
Many of us can relate to that mindset because we were “discipled” under those precepts and even now are continually confronted with the demand that we still have to live to fulfill the law or else lose our salvation. It's an impossible feat. For if we try to be good, yet mess up in a tiny little area, we're doomed to lose our salvation, according to this false teaching.
Jesus directed these words at the perverted righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, just like the Spirit directs these words to self-righteous mindset of today’s religious man.
If we choose to live by constant self-examination and judgment of others, pointing at specks and logs in each other’s eyes, we place ourselves in bondage to the law. For we cannot possibly fulfill the whole law. Not for a single second. And here's the amazing thing: we aren't under bondage to the law in reality, it's only in our carnal mind (our own understanding) that men believe that! Jesus fulfilled the law and it is finished. We've been set free!
It is an absolute illusion that we can "live by the spirit according to our obedient flesh", our outward man. You cannot do it. Because the flesh can never be justified in God’s sight. That would be impossible. There is no such thing as obedient flesh. You are a spiritual being, a spiritual temple. God reigns in you. Believe in him.
Jesus took away our sin. Our sin is as far away as the east is from the west. It's a walk of faith now. We walk by faith, not by sight. It is God now at work in you making you into his image and putting his desires in your heart, renewing you from glory to glory. When you believe him, you will see that he is literally keeping you from falling. If you don’t believe him, he still is keeping you… you just don't see it.
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Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
What they were getting entangled again in was the Law. If anyone should be ducking it would be those here who are doing the same and encouraging others to follow them in their folly.
Amazing..... all those who 'liked' don't know what it means & neither do you.
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.
What they were getting entangled again in was the Law. If anyone should be ducking it would be those here who are doing the same and encouraging others to follow them in their folly.
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Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
You just called Jesus a liar, because he said if you fail in one tiny little part, you're guilty of all. If you so much as think a bad thought against anyone, you're as guilty as a murderer. If you look at a woman and think a lustful thought, you are an adulterer. How then do you justify saying a single habitual sin doesn't matter?
Does it matter to God?
Amazing..... all those who 'liked' don't know what it means & neither do you.
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.
Does it matter to God?
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Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
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Amazing..... all those who 'liked' don't know what it means & neither do you.
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
Romans 8:38,39~
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus.
John 10:27-29~
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them to me is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them from my Father's hand.
Philippians 1:6~
Being confident of this very thing, that he which began a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8~
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
Romans 11:6~
And if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:29~
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
I John 5:13~
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.<<A smiley face? Why is it funny that you think people cannot understand?
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
Romans 8:38,39~
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus.
John 10:27-29~
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them to me is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them from my Father's hand.
Philippians 1:6~
Being confident of this very thing, that he which began a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8~
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
Romans 11:6~
And if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:29~
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
I John 5:13~
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.
<<A smiley face? Why is it funny that you think people cannot understand?
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Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
See? they don't want to touch those scriptures..... they want to make everything about the Law, which my quoted scriptures wasn't.
C'mon..... what are you afraid of? Can't you make proper comments about these scriptures? I'm giving you a golden opportunity to show anointed teachings on true doctrine. Man up & deal with it head on.
See? they don't want to touch those scriptures..... they want to make everything about the Law, which my quoted scriptures wasn't.
C'mon..... what are you afraid of? Can't you make proper comments about these scriptures? I'm giving you a golden opportunity to show anointed teachings on true doctrine. Man up & deal with it head on.
Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
Do you even know what yer talking about? Did I say a habitual sin doesn't matter? Why are you twisting my words?
Dear readers, I don't need to comment on this post..... you should be able to figure it out very easily.
It seems to always be about disinformation..... either about the scripture, or someone's posts. They seek to divert your attention from the statements made, because they have no answers/explanations for them.
If they seek to steer us away from the scriptures, our only logical conclusion is their goal is to steer us from the truth.
Do you even know what yer talking about? Did I say a habitual sin doesn't matter? Why are you twisting my words?
Dear readers, I don't need to comment on this post..... you should be able to figure it out very easily.
It seems to always be about disinformation..... either about the scripture, or someone's posts. They seek to divert your attention from the statements made, because they have no answers/explanations for them.
If they seek to steer us away from the scriptures, our only logical conclusion is their goal is to steer us from the truth.
Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
Originally Posted by Stephen63
Amazing..... all those who 'liked' don't know what it means & neither do you.
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
Romans 8:38,39~
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus.
John 10:27-29~
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them to me is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them from my Father's hand.
Philippians 1:6~
Being confident of this very thing, that he which began a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8~
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
Romans 11:6~
And if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:29~
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
I John 5:13~
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.<<A smiley face? Why is it funny that you think people cannot understand?
I noticed you deliberately left out every scripture about free will & others about severe judgment on disobedient children. Seems rather unbalanced, dontcha think?
Now about my last statement & the smiley face..... I notice instead of name calling you choose to make claims that I like to treat people like they're ignorant. Do you think that will keep you from being reported?
The total contrary is true..... I believe the hypergracers understand, that's why they keep as far from these scriptures I post as they can. They won't touch them because they KNOW they're true. They reject these scriptures, thus rejecting Christ through unbelief. If they confess they're true, their doctrine falls apart & any claim they have to salvation.
You cannot convey the meaning with a story that doesn't match. So apparently it's not a no-brainer as you say.
Didn't I say that's what would happen? tried to explain away one scripture, while ignoring the rest. The rest of 'them' ignored it all. Why? Because the Word has way more truth than they can handle.
Here is the verse she was tearing down to something small & manageable.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Ecaping the pollutions of the world means escaping all the power that sin had on us. Much more severe than a single habit.
Now, if you get 'entangled again' with all that sin, God will turn that person over to a reprobate mind whereby the control of sin will overtake you the rest of your life..... eternal damnation.
Romans 8:38,39~
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus.
John 10:27-29~
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them to me is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them from my Father's hand.
Philippians 1:6~
Being confident of this very thing, that he which began a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8~
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
Romans 11:6~
And if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:29~
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
I John 5:13~
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God.
This 'entangling' is a complete turning back to sin & away from God..... not struggling with a single habit.
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Nice try, though..... all the other hypergracers apparently ducked for cover.
<<A smiley face? Why is it funny that you think people cannot understand?
Now about my last statement & the smiley face..... I notice instead of name calling you choose to make claims that I like to treat people like they're ignorant. Do you think that will keep you from being reported?
The total contrary is true..... I believe the hypergracers understand, that's why they keep as far from these scriptures I post as they can. They won't touch them because they KNOW they're true. They reject these scriptures, thus rejecting Christ through unbelief. If they confess they're true, their doctrine falls apart & any claim they have to salvation.
Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
Scripture says we are saved by grace through faith for good works. Scripture says that whosoever believes in Him shall be saved. why certain individuals , churches, denominations , want steer people away from that is very baffaling.
Do you even know what yer talking about? Did I say a habitual sin doesn't matter? Why are you twisting my words?
Dear readers, I don't need to comment on this post..... you should be able to figure it out very easily.
It seems to always be about disinformation..... either about the scripture, or someone's posts. They seek to divert your attention from the statements made, because they have no answers/explanations for them.
If they seek to steer us away from the scriptures, our only logical conclusion is their goal is to steer us from the truth.
Dear readers, I don't need to comment on this post..... you should be able to figure it out very easily.
It seems to always be about disinformation..... either about the scripture, or someone's posts. They seek to divert your attention from the statements made, because they have no answers/explanations for them.
If they seek to steer us away from the scriptures, our only logical conclusion is their goal is to steer us from the truth.
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Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
You are the one who is motivated by fear. You are under the delusion that you can lose your salvation and believe you can please God by trying to shipwreck the secure salvation of the brethren. You are not walking in the faith of Jesus Christ, you trust in your own understanding.
You aren't able to understand the truth of God in your intellect. You don't believe that. Even though God said that the flesh cannot receive anything from God, you still believe you are wise in your own eyes. But unless God reveal a thing to a man, he will never see spiritual truth.
So long as you think you got it figured out in your own mind, there isn't any reason to continue to respond to you. The flesh can't receive spiritual truth. There are thousands and thousands of deceived folk who believe the religious dogma you're propagating. I'm not going to give you any more reason to promote your false teachings so you and I have nothing more to discuss.
See? they don't want to touch those scriptures..... they want to make everything about the Law, which my quoted scriptures wasn't.
C'mon..... what are you afraid of? Can't you make proper comments about these scriptures? I'm giving you a golden opportunity to show anointed teachings on true doctrine. Man up & deal with it head on.
C'mon..... what are you afraid of? Can't you make proper comments about these scriptures? I'm giving you a golden opportunity to show anointed teachings on true doctrine. Man up & deal with it head on.
You aren't able to understand the truth of God in your intellect. You don't believe that. Even though God said that the flesh cannot receive anything from God, you still believe you are wise in your own eyes. But unless God reveal a thing to a man, he will never see spiritual truth.
So long as you think you got it figured out in your own mind, there isn't any reason to continue to respond to you. The flesh can't receive spiritual truth. There are thousands and thousands of deceived folk who believe the religious dogma you're propagating. I'm not going to give you any more reason to promote your false teachings so you and I have nothing more to discuss.
Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
You've got some real 'splainin to do there , missey. First, you judge me as fearful & delusional.
Second, you accuse me of doing something your doctrine say is impossible to do. YOU BELIEVE once you're saved, nothing can change that..... yet you accuse me of shipwrecking other's salvation with my doctrine. Now if you believe what you say you do, this would be an impossibility. YOU CAN'T HAVE UNCHANGABLE SALVATION & THEN ACCUSE ME OF DESTROYING IT!
I'm 53, been saved since 17, called to the ministry at 19, & am a staunch conservative Pentecostal. I say that to prove you have no idea who you're talking to, neither what I believe.
Since you didn't even come close to who or what I am, I perceive you're speaking in ignorance because you can't spiritually discern who we "by grace thru proven faith" believers are in this forum. Parroting hypergrace doctrines & hypergrace teachers makes you no more than a parrot, plain & simple.
Parrots can't properly handle the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).
Parrots quote scripture that doesn't match their subjects.
Parrots judge others without evidence.
Parrots don't understand the doctrine they say they believe.
Parrots quote & back other parrots.
When several parrots band together, they become a pack of wolves & will attack when provoked.
You've got some real 'splainin to do there , missey. First, you judge me as fearful & delusional.
Second, you accuse me of doing something your doctrine say is impossible to do. YOU BELIEVE once you're saved, nothing can change that..... yet you accuse me of shipwrecking other's salvation with my doctrine. Now if you believe what you say you do, this would be an impossibility. YOU CAN'T HAVE UNCHANGABLE SALVATION & THEN ACCUSE ME OF DESTROYING IT!
I'm 53, been saved since 17, called to the ministry at 19, & am a staunch conservative Pentecostal. I say that to prove you have no idea who you're talking to, neither what I believe.
Since you didn't even come close to who or what I am, I perceive you're speaking in ignorance because you can't spiritually discern who we "by grace thru proven faith" believers are in this forum. Parroting hypergrace doctrines & hypergrace teachers makes you no more than a parrot, plain & simple.
Parrots can't properly handle the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).
Parrots quote scripture that doesn't match their subjects.
Parrots judge others without evidence.
Parrots don't understand the doctrine they say they believe.
Parrots quote & back other parrots.
When several parrots band together, they become a pack of wolves & will attack when provoked.
They are explaining the Scriptures you are bringing up, but you are ignoring the simple clear ones. And then you attack them for doing what you're doing. Take your log out first.
You are spewing fear. You can lose your salvation you say. You are not kept by God but your own obedience. Why do you say them so people live in fear of sinning. But if that worked you would be the most loving person on the forum, but fear doesn't spur us to love, freedom does.
The Pharisees were petrified of sin. Everything they did was so they wouldn't sin. How did that work out for them??? Horrible. You say you want people to obey Jesus, but Scripture is clear on His command is to love. If you truly wanted people to obey Him why wouldn't you talk about love? Do a search on all your posts and see how often you talk about love. The actual literal COMMAND of the Lord.
You are spewing fear. You can lose your salvation you say. You are not kept by God but your own obedience. Why do you say them so people live in fear of sinning. But if that worked you would be the most loving person on the forum, but fear doesn't spur us to love, freedom does.
The Pharisees were petrified of sin. Everything they did was so they wouldn't sin. How did that work out for them??? Horrible. You say you want people to obey Jesus, but Scripture is clear on His command is to love. If you truly wanted people to obey Him why wouldn't you talk about love? Do a search on all your posts and see how often you talk about love. The actual literal COMMAND of the Lord.
"IMO, you will make it to heaven, IF you sincerely repent of (forsake) your sins!"
This is self refute, Notice it says:
1) IMO = In my opinion. This demonstrate uncertainty. This is not believing. None can make it to heaven by that. The Bible says:
John14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
2) "If" - The sinking foundation of the word "if" meaning "whether or not" i.e. uncertainty.
IF thou art the son of God, command that these stones be made bread.Matthew 14:28.
3) Repent = forsake. This is not true as per the what the Bible says.
Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Repentance simply means changed of mind, changed of mind about God and sin. There is Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation. as the Bible says in 2 Corinthians 7:9. Matthew 3:8.
2 Corinthians 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
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If someone placed his "faith" in Christ, That's all for eternity in heaven!
God bless!
This is self refute, Notice it says:
1) IMO = In my opinion. This demonstrate uncertainty. This is not believing. None can make it to heaven by that. The Bible says:
John14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
2) "If" - The sinking foundation of the word "if" meaning "whether or not" i.e. uncertainty.
IF thou art the son of God, command that these stones be made bread.Matthew 14:28.
3) Repent = forsake. This is not true as per the what the Bible says.
Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Repentance simply means changed of mind, changed of mind about God and sin. There is Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation. as the Bible says in 2 Corinthians 7:9. Matthew 3:8.
2 Corinthians 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
[FONT=Segoe UI, Segoe, Segoe WP, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Going to heaven is not about quitting. deserting, abandoning, deserting, renouncing your sins, that's good for "good works" but rather [/FONT]
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If someone placed his "faith" in Christ, That's all for eternity in heaven!
God bless!
I do not believe the ideology of OSAS. People here who know me, know that. As well, they know that I do not have a problem with people who do believe in the ideology of OSAS.
What I find funny is, that some of those who do teach OSAS, are some of the first to complain about Saturday Sabbath Keepers and how they will not accept those who do not believe in Saturday Sabbath Keeping. They will say that SS Keepers are always attacking those who worship on Sundays and such.
Yet, if I, or others here, disagree with the ideology of OSAS, we face harsh criticism from the OSAS'ers. Too, too funny.
Now, it may not be occurring on this particular thread, I have not read all 200 plus comments, but it has happened to me again and again here on the BDF. That is the reason I am just now entering the conversation.
The main reason I do not accept OSAS is that it is simply a watered down version of Calvan's teachings. The ideology of OSAS makes void Free Will. I strongly believe in Free Will, therefore, I can not accept the ideology of OSAS.
Anyway, if someone wants to attach me for this comment, I will simply ignore their attacks, I'm getting pretty good at that.
What I find funny is, that some of those who do teach OSAS, are some of the first to complain about Saturday Sabbath Keepers and how they will not accept those who do not believe in Saturday Sabbath Keeping. They will say that SS Keepers are always attacking those who worship on Sundays and such.
Yet, if I, or others here, disagree with the ideology of OSAS, we face harsh criticism from the OSAS'ers. Too, too funny.
Now, it may not be occurring on this particular thread, I have not read all 200 plus comments, but it has happened to me again and again here on the BDF. That is the reason I am just now entering the conversation.
The main reason I do not accept OSAS is that it is simply a watered down version of Calvan's teachings. The ideology of OSAS makes void Free Will. I strongly believe in Free Will, therefore, I can not accept the ideology of OSAS.
Anyway, if someone wants to attach me for this comment, I will simply ignore their attacks, I'm getting pretty good at that.