Alcohol

[lv2ski]

did I write something that bothers you?

that is not my problem

you don't get to censor my posts...which remain polite...you can disagree of course, but you are trying to correct what I said

that's not going to help you either

attempted SHAMING and trying to shame or control what others say is definitely a topic for another conversation

why are people so afraid of what others might say? does it rock your little world or what

You just mirrored your post.

 

[LaurenTM]

You just mirrored your post.

right

I understand where you are coming from now

the nah nah nah nah nah section

 

[lv2ski]

by that logic, you have surveyed every alcoholic then, both Christian and non-Christian?

every alcoholics verse should be the same as for the non-alcoholics

John 3:16

My point is....that scripture is commonly quoted out of context to justify sin. Which justifying liberty is not its purpose.

 

[LaurenTM]

My point is....that scripture is commonly quoted out of context to justify sin. Which justifying liberty is not its purpose.

uh..you just made my point for me

it's been fun, but I'll be moving on now

thanks

 

[posthuman]

75 Bible References on Drinking Alcohol
. . .
70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 - Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.
. . .

now why would a list like this misrepresent the scripture, telling lies about what it says?

Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
(1 Timothy 3:2-3)​

i hate lies.

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i skipped over this post at first, then i was curious if another scripture that came to mind was in this list, ((it wasn't)) and while i was skimming looking for a different verse, i noticed this blatant falsehood.

in the list of 6 things God detests, lying and stirring up controversy, separating brothers, is listed -- but drunkenness is not.
curious, ain't it?
((the truth, i mean))

 

[kaylagrl]

that seems to conclude that everyone will become an alcoholic if they have a drink now and then

that is not logical

by that logic, I should have been an alcoholic at 7 or 8

Europeans often serve wine to their kiddies...as kiddies, even in Canada, we would have a little with our meals or with ginger ale at family celebrations. understand that is NORMAL and no one has a bothered conscience for it..there are Christians all over the world who do the same

without a doubt, there does seem to be a pre-disposition towards abuse in families with alcoholics, but we can say the same about any family type whatever that seems to go from one person to the next

some of those other things to drink are far worse than a glass of wine now and then

just disagreeing...just discussing (seems I have to say that now and then)

A person doesn't know they are an alcoholic until they take the first drink. So why would you take the risk? It destroyed my uncles life,his wife,children and grandchildren's lives. Alcohol isn't a necessity,water is. I dont see a good reason to drink knowing there is a risk that one could be an alcoholic.

 

[mailmandan]

A person doesn't know they are an alcoholic until they take the first drink. So why would you take the risk? It destroyed my uncles life,his wife,children and grandchildren's lives. Alcohol isn't a necessity,water is. I dont see a good reason to drink knowing there is a risk that one could be an alcoholic.

I believe that my brother in law may be an alcoholic, even though he denies it. When he goes to the gym to work out, he has Seagram's 7 and 7UP in his water bottle instead of water.

 

[Magenta]

 

[eph610]

I dont drink at all. My uncle was a lifelong alcoholic, it eventually killed him. The Bible says if meat causes my brother to stumble... Drinking is what the world does to cope,its not what Christians should do. You dont know if you are an alcoholic till you take the first drink. Why risk that when there is no reason to drink alcohol? Plenty of other things to drink. It dulls the senses and can make you have very poor judgement. I dont see anything positive in alcohol at all. JMO

I loved to drink, I was never classified as a alcoholic, but a binge drinker...and no I did not know after my first drink....

Wow...what a narrow minded and very sheltered view and opinion

 

[eph610]

A person doesn't know they are an alcoholic until they take the first drink. So why would you take the risk? It destroyed my uncles life,his wife,children and grandchildren's lives. Alcohol isn't a necessity,water is. I dont see a good reason to drink knowing there is a risk that one could be an alcoholic.

Stop!!!! you are hurting my head with your illogical argument. If you have never had a drink maybe you should silent on the matter...because you are saying things that are not true spiritually or naturally.

 

[LaurenTM]

A person doesn't know they are an alcoholic until they take the first drink. So why would you take the risk? It destroyed my uncles life,his wife,children and grandchildren's lives. Alcohol isn't a necessity,water is. I dont see a good reason to drink knowing there is a risk that one could be an alcoholic.

uh...if you don't see any risk, if you are not ever dealing with alcoholics or alcohol abuse, why would you go there?

see?

I am sad to read of what happened in your family...but again, and on principal here, I cannot look at extremes and call it the norm

and I have never made the case for drinking alcohol to anyone...for the record, I would never have anything with alcohol in it with someone who would be offended

in the same sense, I do find it odd that it seems if you have such an opinion, you are wrong because someone else has a different opinion and guess what, we can apply that vice versa

so ultimately, my position is that scripture does not say thou shalt not ever...drunk is excess and excess in anything is not moderation

people tend to go to excess when they really do not have the inner structure of mind and body needed not to (go to excess)

and food excess IS a major problem with Christians

and gluttony IS a sin...but I have honestly NEVER seen that dealt with on ANY Christian forum

 

[lv2ski]

right

I understand where you are coming from now

the nah nah nah nah nah section

I'm sorry that you've misunderstood meand now have to return to Jr high comments.

But the point is....it's not mature thinking to start comparing things trying to make something seem like what is, e which is usually negative.

I.E: sexual sins. Fornicators, adulterers and homosexuals all will point at the others and say what about them? Doesn't matter, they're all condemnable before God if not repented of.

Just like if I'm complimenting one of my daughters, that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the others. I just wasnt talking to them.

Please show some maturity in your reply.

 

[posthuman]

So you LaurenTM look to what men say instead of what the Scriptures say?

TOO much Religion? How can anyone have TOO much of Jesus? How can anyone Worship Jesus TOO much?

she's actually saying what the scriptures say, Mike.
what the wisest man who ever lived says:

Do not be overrighteous,
neither be overwise — why destroy yourself?
Do not be overwicked,
and do not be a fool — why die before your time?
It is good to grasp the one
and not let go of the other.
Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes.
(Ecclesiastes 7:16-18)
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Jesus is not "religion"
worshiping Him is not "religion"

if it's trite to say so, it's only trite because it's oft-repeated and it's oft-repeated because it's true:
it is "relationship"

 

[LaurenTM]

she's actually saying what the scriptures say, Mike.
what the wisest man who ever lived says:

Do not be overrighteous,
neither be overwise — why destroy yourself?
Do not be overwicked,
and do not be a fool — why die before your time?
It is good to grasp the one
and not let go of the other.
Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes.
(Ecclesiastes 7:16-18)
​

Jesus is not "religion"
worshiping Him is not "religion"

if it's trite to say so, it's only trite because it's oft-repeated and it's oft-repeated because it's true:
it is "relationship"

he got it mixed up...and apologized

it's all good!

I actually wrote the opposite of what he understood...and he understands now

 

[kaylagrl]

A very religious pharisee Pastor asked me once why it seemed like I ministered so well with the people who sinned by smoking, drinking, taking drugs, and engaging in sexual immorality

I told him I used to smoke cigarettes, drank to get drunk, took drugs to get high, and slept with women and watching porn to find happiness and to dull the pain I experienced... It takes one to know one and to have true empathy that allows compassion to compel you to be there for them when they are ready to be delivered.

YOU did all that!?!?! He was in a state of belief. I told him yeah, the old things pass away, behold new things have come.

If you have never drank to escape the pain of life, you have no business preaching to people you know what they are going through....and then condemning them for it

Quote "If you have never drank to escape the pain of life, you have no business preaching to people you know what they are going through....and then condemning them for it"


So you have to sin to preach the Gospel to another person? I hope that is not what you are saying. I was in ministry for 20yrs and I didn't experience every situation,every sin,every sorrow the people I was ministering to went through, did that make me unfit to minister to them? No,not at all. And for my own comments I was condemning no one, that seems to be a PC thing these days. If you say anything is sin, you are judging/condemning. That is nonsense. We are all level at the foot of the cross. We are all sinners saved by grace.

As far as the pain of life I am well acquainted with it. And I saw my uncle choose alcohol over his wife and children and his entire family. I believe he came to the Lord on his deathbed but oh what a life he could have had had he let go of the bottle.Jesus comes to give life more abundantly. But those outside the church are not what the OP was speaking of. They were talking about Christians,not the unsaved.

 

[LaurenTM]

I'm sorry that you've misunderstood meand now have to return to Jr high comments.

But the point is....it's not mature thinking to start comparing things trying to make something seem like what is, e which is usually negative.

I.E: sexual sins. Fornicators, adulterers and homosexuals all will point at the others and say what about them? Doesn't matter, they're all condemnable before God if not repented of.

Just like if I'm complimenting one of my daughters, that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the others. I just wasnt talking to them.

Please show some maturity in your reply.

do you have a problem with eating too much?

or is it my avatar? don't like puppies?

honestly

 

[Stephen63]

Alcohol is simply the topic.. no comparison needed,that's just a way to divert attention from something.

If we're taking about how gross picking your nose and eating it is, that's not saying that biting your toe nails and swallowing isn't. It's just that that's not what we were talkingabout.

No need to rate vises, none help you, they all distract.

Don't sweat it, Iv2ski..... she just needed her daily dose of attention. Maybe she's an attentionholic.

 

[kaylagrl]

I loved to drink, I was never classified as a alcoholic, but a binge drinker...and no I did not know after my first drink....

Wow...what a narrow minded and very sheltered view and opinion

My point was if you never take the first drink you dont go down the path of alcoholism. The first drink is what begins the process. My mother is a nurse so thats her narrow minded opinion. I'll inform her of how stupid she is." I see nothing positive that alcohol can bring to a persons life but a whole lot of damage. I dont see the point in drinking.

 

[lv2ski]

do you have a problem with eating too much?

or is it my avatar? don't like puppies?

honestly

Actually I do have a problem with eating too much. As for you well, drip,drip,drip yes the corner of the roof is very peaceful.

 

[kaylagrl]

uh...if you don't see any risk, if you are not ever dealing with alcoholics or alcohol abuse, why would you go there?

see?

I am sad to read of what happened in your family...but again, and on principal here, I cannot look at extremes and call it the norm

and I have never made the case for drinking alcohol to anyone...for the record, I would never have anything with alcohol in it with someone who would be offended

in the same sense, I do find it odd that it seems if you have such an opinion, you are wrong because someone else has a different opinion and guess what, we can apply that vice versa

so ultimately, my position is that scripture does not say thou shalt not ever...drunk is excess and excess in anything is not moderation

people tend to go to excess when they really do not have the inner structure of mind and body needed not to (go to excess)

and food excess IS a major problem with Christians

and gluttony IS a sin...but I have honestly NEVER seen that dealt with on ANY Christian forum

Gluttony is a sin,yet many times I see that is what a person eats,not the amount that causes them to gain weight.But if you are eating like a cultured hog then yes that is wrong and you need to turn to the Lord for help. Alcohol has destroyed more homes,more lives over the years and there is no need for it. No reason to drink at all. There was a time the church believed it was wrong to drink, that we looked too much like the world when we drink. I guess Im more old fashioned than I think.
What if you sit down with someone that has had a problem with alcoholism and you dont know it and by your drinking you cause them to stumble? Just a thought. Again there is no good argument for alcohol and that remains my opinion. The Bible is very clear on the dangers of alcohol.