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Well, as far as diet, I have been an organic vegetarian, grown my own veggies for 40 years. So not so much! Although if someone is eating a lot of sugar, fat etc, you might have a point.
I was in denial for a few years when I first got sick. I confessed, believed, had friends who prayed, confessed and believed for me. All I ended up with was deformities that are irrepairable.
Please don't get sick like my friend who was ordained by Kenneth Copeland ministries. She and her whole church prayed, confessed and believed for her healing from breast cancer. She even refused all cancer treatments. Then she died 10 months later when the cancer metastized into her brain. Yep, it sure worked for her, too!
And yes, I do pray for poor deluded microscoped. Just so you know!
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Please note three things:
1. You're not a theologian. You're also no counselor.
2. Aimee and Warrior are counselors. No one disputed what they said about counseling.
3. Yup, theologians would be criticized on here. "The highest of theologians" would counter the disputes in 1-2 post. Kind of why they're the "highest."
Really hard to dispute vast knowledge. Very easy to dispute lack of knowledge.
Oh, and just because I caught Joshua Generations statement below, yeah, I am criticizing.
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You attack like others since you were never healed. Many hate it if others can be healed. I God worked with me in the physical bodies I would help you better believe it. this whole thread has been an attack and no biblical standing for it. It is just I am wrong and so and so said it so its true cause I agree..... I do not have disabilities. However since I was sexually abused I have a passion to help others get the healing Jesus was whipped for. Why tell Jesus that His torture is not good enough for today. Sorry Christ we have medicine now and don't need the gifts of healing? I really care about people. Yeah I'm human. I have my faults. We all do but God can still use us. I was asked to put this thread together. I didn't volunteer. I didn't ask to be attacked but am still here unshaken and still standing by what I have said. JESUS HEALS DID.
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'No - "not 'professionally', at least"- and, I do not claim to be ( certainly, not 'professionally' ).
Did you think I was? ( It sounds like it, based on the way you made the statement quoted above. )
If so, did you "take my word for it" - by assumption?
Do you "take [ other CC members ] word for it" - what they say about themselves - just because they said it?
( Please understand the context here -- I am only trying to make a point. )
No sympathy here.
Perhaps this might be included in:
Although my statement was not worded in an all-inclusive way, this would be covered by:
For what it is worth, my comments about people making typos was not aimed at you ( "any at all - not the slightest bit"
Even the smallest things can be very educational...
I wasn't offended. Even if you were trying to offend me, I wasn't offended. I didn't know who you were talking about, but I am a good example of why it's hard to tell. lol
I was making a point again. We can't judge specifics about a person just from what we see online. And that's not to say we can't judge the generals online. I am judging who is or isn't a counselor. I can't tell who he is in particular online, because face-to-face and getting to know someone is required to get that specific.
Some things we assume, but what is assumed isn't always true. It's just hard to tell.
(And, yeah, there is no sympathy needed for my typo abilities.
)And, yes, I do assume someone is telling me truth in what they write, until otherwise notified. I don't know if I'd call that charity or Godly. Kind of doubt that. I'm an optimist with some realism stuck in the mix. That really has nothing to do with this conversation other than to answer a question you had. I suspect both of us missed a few steps in our assumptions. Not a problem... at least, I hope not. Is it? I really wasn't offended, so you have nothing to apologize for. Did I offend you? If I did, that wasn't my intent. You just picked something that fit me in unusual ways, as well as the usual ways.
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Thank you for pointing out my shortcomings when it comes to writing the thing is is I am comfortable with them. When I minister God handles all of it so I'm not worried.I am one that goes over and rewrites things many times. I am on my phone and can barely see the words on the screen especially in the quarter inch slot that I am given to view. I try to scroll and then get fed up and post. If my writing bothers you like it has many who like to point it out then it is something you will need to live with or learn to.No - "not 'professionally', at least"
Did you think I was? ( It sounds like it, based on the way you made the statement quoted above. )
If so, did you "take my word for it" - by assumption?
Do you "take [ other CC members ] word for it" - what they say about themselves - just because they said it?
( Please understand the context here -- I am only trying to make a point. )
No sympathy here.
Perhaps this might be included in:
Although my statement was not worded in an all-inclusive way, this would be covered by:
For what it is worth, my comments about people making typos was not aimed at you ( "any at all - not the slightest bit"
Even the smallest things can be very educational...
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Ready for that brain surgery yet? I believe God me to be a brain surgeon as much as I believe God had anything to do with what you wrote here.
I am healed. Just not the way you assume.
Please accept my apology for all on the forum.
I feel that God wants you to go back to your great and acclaimed ministry,
and that he doesn't want you to waste ONE MORE SECOND of your precious time here...
as we aren't worthy.
Please, you must go.
You simply must.
Although many here will weep in your absence, you must go back to your fame and glory...
it is what the Lord has ordained for you.
You must go back.
You simply must.
Go now.
Go and don't look back.
We will always remember you.
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I never intentionally try to offend anyone on here ( or anywhere else, for that matter'
I wasn't offended. Even if you were trying to offend me, I wasn't offended. I didn't know who you were talking about, but I am a good example of why it's hard to tell. lol
I was making a point again. We can't judge specifics about a person just from what we see online. And that's not to say we can't judge the generals online. I am judging who is or isn't a counselor. I can't tell who he is in particular online, because face-to-face and getting to know someone is required to get that specific.
Some things we assume, but what is assumed isn't always true. It's just hard to tell.
(And, yeah, there is no sympathy needed for my typo abilities.
And, yes, I do assume someone is telling me truth in what they write, until otherwise notified. I don't know if I'd call that charity or Godly. Kind of doubt that. I'm an optimist with some realism stuck in the mix. That really has nothing to do with this conversation other than to answer a question you had. I suspect both of us missed a few steps in our assumptions. Not a problem... at least, I hope not. Is it? I really wasn't offended, so you have nothing to apologize for. Did I offend you? If I did, that wasn't my intent. You just picked something that fit me in unusual ways, as well as the usual ways.
). Nor am I too easily offended. I consider myself to be "fairly laid-back"... ( I certainly try to be. )Yes - there are times when I "get serious" about a topic in a thread ( for example ) - because there is a need for it.
At other times, I am 'playful' - because I like to "pick and tease" with others on here... ( we all need to laugh often )
It is never my intent to be rude, crude, callous, vicious, malicious, abusive, insensitive, or insulting toward anyone.
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Cool. Kindred spirits. (We're alike. I sometimes worry people are thinking that means some kind of modern terminology, but I just mean we're alike.)I never intentionally try to offend anyone on here ( or anywhere else, for that matter
Yes - there are times when I "get serious" about a topic in a thread ( for example ) - because there is a need for it.
At other times, I am 'playful' - because I like to "pick and tease" with others on here... ( we all need to laugh often )
It is never my intent to be rude, crude, callous, vicious, malicious, abusive, insensitive, or insulting toward anyone.
It is funny that I have aphasia though. (Well, it's funny most of the time. Occasionally I pick words that are offensive thinking I'm saying/writing something else all together. Embarassing. lol) Not too many have it, so what was the likelihood you'd run into one? (Which is why I wasn't offended.)
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"Good Grief! ---------- I can sympathize with anyone who comes on here with a phone. Not enough screen for me -- I want a real browser!"
( hehe )
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It is not so much that I am "bothered" by your writing ( or other's ) --- I was simply saying that a person's manner of writing "tells on them"...
I have already asked you at least twice now that you give the scripture passages to back up what you say,which was asked here
You said this here in direct reply without answering the question asked above
I then ask you this in direct response to your reply above here
So once again where are the scriptures for you to be able to EVEN BEGIN that something like this is even TRUE?
By the way John tells us this
1 John 4
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Please stop with the pity party about being ASKED where the scriptures are to BACK UP WHAT you say. There is a RIGHT way and a wrong way to be healed of these things. (Been there myself) But throughout this whole thread and now another thread you started I have yet to see you post SCRIPTURE to back up you say and for some reason I keep hearing this
[video=youtube;OWwOJlOI1nU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU[/video]
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WORDS,
how precious they can be - how truly precious they are -
how telling of our hearts desires, aches, pains, loves, likes, the list is never ending
as we tell others who we are.
our emotions are constantly tugged at and will swell and flow over as we hear and feel
another's heart speak -
this is a miracle to me, a filling-up in our minds that results in waves and sparks in the brain,
creating pictures in frames, kind of like a show and tell as we seek a way to connect with others.
sometimes our hearts will soar and sometimes they will break when we hear and feel another's words.....
but we will hear whom our Father wants us to hear, and never by mere chance.....
the key is in what we do with what we have been led to hear and to discern our own reactions
and then to see the path that will lead us to help others and ourselves to grow into the person Christ expects.
our words are always a reflection of our walk, we know that our Father is always listening....
I pray He hears us growing day-by-day and that He finds joy and confirmation of our love
for him in our speech and daily actions which come from our hearts.
how precious they can be - how truly precious they are -
how telling of our hearts desires, aches, pains, loves, likes, the list is never ending
as we tell others who we are.
our emotions are constantly tugged at and will swell and flow over as we hear and feel
another's heart speak -
this is a miracle to me, a filling-up in our minds that results in waves and sparks in the brain,
creating pictures in frames, kind of like a show and tell as we seek a way to connect with others.
sometimes our hearts will soar and sometimes they will break when we hear and feel another's words.....
but we will hear whom our Father wants us to hear, and never by mere chance.....
the key is in what we do with what we have been led to hear and to discern our own reactions
and then to see the path that will lead us to help others and ourselves to grow into the person Christ expects.
our words are always a reflection of our walk, we know that our Father is always listening....
I pray He hears us growing day-by-day and that He finds joy and confirmation of our love
for him in our speech and daily actions which come from our hearts.
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I actually went back looking for valiant and only found vigilant
you can understand how confused I became....
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You have only provided generic scripture...like the yellow brand in a supermarket....
I was looking for something along the lines of a name brand...
Psalm 69 is considered to be a prophetic Psalm..but, as with other Psalms written by David, it seems he just switches back and forth between what may be considered his own lament or prayer
Micro....I'm not being persuaded at all
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well obviously not a response to me, but hold on a minute here
I agree, frankly, about some of the rhetoric in here...it's overdone IMO
However, you really have not provided biblical backing...well certainly Jesus wants to heal and deliver, but I have some scholarly books in my library written by men who have a passion for the truth...these books are replete with scripture to back up what they say or believe...because it seems to me we should be open for having our minds changed if need be but at the same time exercise discernment...and some of us have discernment and some of us don't...getting angry is not discernment...but that's another thread
These books do not brag of the author's credentials, however the credentials certainly make them more ...well, believable shall we say?
I do have some formal training in some things and in others I have good experience under the belt. I am not an expert in anything but my ears are not too badly tuned...and I just don't hear from you what I would expect to hear that would underscore what you claim
I can prove what I say I can do....I don't know micro...you seem to have quite a few excuses and not too many reasons
This whole attitude is evil and wrong. Literally and simply wrong. People have died because idiots have said your problem is you have said the medicene is important so you have made it so. So you can say as arterial blood is flowing out of your body stop and it will, you will not actually bleed to death. On crossing a road, you can say stop and the cars will stop.
This is complete and utter junk. It is pure christian science, and people die because of it, because they live in the world of delusion and we are the definers of the world. As a child you are taught through experience you have to take the world seriously else you get hurt.
Now face up to reality we will all die, we will all get ill, and doctors, food, shelter are all part of life. The question is are we at peace with how things work out and find the will of God. But it is easier to claim our will is all that matters and we can claim life and eternity. Well only the insane believe this because it does not happen.
I want to thank you for your efforts with some very difficult people. Some here want to claim professionals are good at what they do in counselling, but the truth is it is often a mess and people respond often statistically the same as having no help. I have seen them fail with simple issues which did not fit there preconcieved ideas, so if you can honestly help people and have real fruit of recovery then amen.
On the can "christians" have demonic problems, ofcourse because if a alter "comes to the Lord" it is a mess, with many things that are inconsistent. If MPD's or DID's occur everywhere then there will be expression of it in the church as anywhere. I would say in reality we only progress by listening and sifting through peoples experience and put it into context if possible.
I hope this helps, because as is the case, it is easier to critise than understand.
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Originally Posted by microscoped
Oh how I wish I could say who I am. All you would have to do is Google my name and you would either shut up or apologize.
how did I miss this?
going to the barn for the manure scoop...stand back folks...it could get messy
and you are the guy who went on a rant about his wife...how she is a whore and has had sex with over 50 men
I dunno....maybe you drove her nuts
you wish you could say who you are...I remember daddy was a minister I think?
I suppose you are going to say 'touch not mine annointed' next...
The real question is "Do you know who Jesus is?" the real one...not the one in your head that lives in a subterranean tunnel
fellah...you need deliverance or alter connection yourself...I mean it
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??? Most diseases are caused by dietary factors such as Acne,celiac disease,heart disease,cholesterol,high blood pressure,most cancers,Anemia,diabetes,dementia,depression...the list goes on and on...so! Unless you are eating a Raw vegan diet,that consist of plant based foods(fruits,veg,nuts,seeds..)then yes your going to get sick! So if I don't want high cholesterol,then I'm not going.g to eat animal products. That's science.
As for believing God will heal me...Matthew 21:22 - And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. Was Jesus joking? And yes this goes according to his will. I believe most of the time people do get healed. With the attitude YOU have,I hope you never get sick..