AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[Zinzerio]

PS, the other day, in and email to my sister, I used the word here for hear.............for some reason, she did not make mention of my error.

RIGHT! She understood what I was saying. She did not mention it. Perhaps that stems from her love for me in Yeshua, Jesus.

I do hope you will forgive my horrible error. You did know what I was saying though.

well yes and no it depends on the character but i know what you mean its ok telling someone the spelling mistake in private one to one but in a class full of people its harder to take, but its kinder to leave then to mock, but ivanco and me are ok
hes called me out a few times and i with him but where not doing what some do here and never let it go.

 

[JaumeJ]

If your command of the language of the Bard is so great, why are your two sentences unbalanced? That is you used the present tense of the infinitve, to be, in your first sentence, followed by the second extension of your appraisal without it. You spelled English with the lower case e. Finally, though not dealing with grammar, you have broken the teaching of Yeshua, Jesus, in stating a sister in Yeshua, Christ, as being foolish, a fool.

It is a simple matter to display minor faults of others, but to edify, exhort and admonish does not fit into this approach of abject criticism for criticism's sake. Clean up your own house, and do not call the family in Yeshua raca.


Your lack of understanding is abysmal. Your shallowness in the word, appalling. You don't have a basic command of the english language, and yet you try to school me in it? You are a foolish woman.
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[Timeline]

Matthew 5:22

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Does anyone know who said this?

 

[Zinzerio]

i called him a thick skull not a fool but why be sneeky about it ? especially when i have been in pm with you ???

 

[Zinzerio]

and where i come from thick skull is just a joke really nothing really mean ment but i guess people could take it the wrong way so i apolagise for that but you really dont know our history and hes pulled my entire thread to bits

 

[ivanc0]

Why would anyone say someone who is a brother in Yeshua is a Jew, as though leveling an accusation? Circumcision or non-circumcision means nothing when we are in Jesus. This wreaks of Jew hatred, and this is frowned upon by God.

Now, you are absolutely correct, Jesus did fulfill the law on the cross, however He was fulfilling it from His birth to His crucifixion, every day, every moment. While He was fulfilling the law and the prophets He teaches us that none of the laws are to be ignored, that is the good laws.

It is obvious you are lording it over the original vine, and we are admonished by Yeshua not to ever do this. I pray you see your error and return to the people of Yeshua, formed by the two flocks united by the Good Shepherd, amen.

No one said that being a JEW is bad, is Just that paul Said if you get circumcised you need to obey all the law, and the ones that wanted to be circumcised were the Jews.
As a concecuence if you want to obey the law of Moses for any reason you need to circumcise in the flesh, this is absolutely clear in Paula writings.

You want to work around this saying that circumcision in the heart is a substitute, This was not the intention of Paul words. Is clear that circumcision of the heart means grace, and grace mean live without the "law of moses".

To probe my point that the law has no effect for the gentiles, lets study the law of tithing!

Who the gentiles will pay tithing and who the Jew Christians will Pay tithing?

The gentiles will not be able to pay to the Levites!
and the Jew Christians will have to pay to the Levites.
So no one have to pay tithing to the christian church.

Are you able to show your ideas about this.

 

[Zinzerio]

[SUP]1 john 3:21-24
21 [/SUP]Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God [SUP]22 [/SUP]and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. [SUP]24 [/SUP]The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: we know it by the Spirit he gave us.

 

[ivanc0]

hmm if you say so but i would rather stay with zinzerio it reminds me not to be caught up in a converation that leads a person in to sin , but thanks for suggestion maybe you should add the terrible to your name ?

Is no a bad Idea. Thanks

 

[Daley]

He did not break the sabbath any more than David did when he ate showbread.

Sin is seeking to satisfy self, or to puff self up or anything done out of selfishness.

Jesus did it for others.. It is not against Gods law to take care of a person in need, In fact not taking care of the person would be sin.

Actually, Jesus said David ate the showbread "which was NOT lawful for him to eat." So David was breaking the law. And "the priest in the temple PROFANE the sabbath." (Matt 12:4-5) So Jesus himself admits they were all breaking the sabbath. What does profane mean? To treat as not sacred. Jesus gave examples where these laws were broken, and justly so, showing both their inferiority to other more important matters. Jesus set aside the sabbath, and he had the right to do so because he made it. Also, Jesus showed it was not a SIN for the priests to PROFANE the sabbath, because he says they profane the sabbath and are BLAMELESS. If they can do it, so can he and his disciples. This was the obvious intent of the examples he gave. Jesus said he was working on the sabbath in John 5:17, did he not? That settles it for me; you can choose to argue in a way that appears to save the sabbath from being broken in these examples, but it won't refute the plain reading of the text.

 

[Daley]

read above.

If jesus broke the sabbath, He sinned, and his death was nullified as payment for our sin.

Jesus said the priests in the temple profaned (treated as NOT sacred/ broke) the sabbath and are blameless (Matt 12:5); so it wasn't a sin for them, but it was a sin for Jesus? This is nonsense. Jesus made the sabbath, he had the right to change it, or remove it. If Jesus authorizes work on the sabbath, that is his right. If sabbath keeping isn't binding on the priests, then it isn't a sin for him. Jesus is our high priest, and all believers are a royal priesthood. (1 Peter 2:9)

 

[Daley]

read above.

If jesus broke the sabbath, He sinned, and his death was nullified as payment for our sin.

So much ado about what it would mean if Jesus broke the sabbath, and no one is dealing with the fact that Jesus admits he was working on that day in John 5:17, and John says he broke the sabbath in the next verse. (vs 18)

 

[JaumeJ]

This forum is named Christian Chat Bible Discussion Forum. Please forgive my acknowledging another's shift to my horrid word selection order. This same person did refer to my beloved sister in Yeshua, Jesus, as a fool. Unless of course labeling someone as foolish is not refering to him as a fool. My response is also due to that person setting himself up as a kind of source authority on grammar.

It is better if a family member makes himself understood in spite of his lingual or grammatical prowess limitations, than all the florid wording of one who fancies himself above all others in correct communication in a given language.

If your command of the language of the Bard is so great, why are your two sentences unbalanced? That is you used the present tense of the infinitve, to be, in your first sentence, followed by the second extension of your appraisal without it. You spelled English with the lower case e. Finally, though not dealing with grammar, you have broken the teaching of Yeshua, Jesus, in stating a sister in Yeshua, Christ, as being foolish, a fool.

It is a simple matter to display minor faults of others, but to edify, exhort and admonish does not fit into this approach of abject criticism for criticism's sake. Clean up your own house, and do not call the family in Yeshua raca.

We all know only our Salvation, Yeshua, is perfect, and He was perfect in the flesh unto death just for me and for all who believe Him, amen.


Your lack of understanding is abysmal. Your shallowness in the word, appalling. You don't have a basic command of the english language, and yet you try to school me in it? You are a foolish woman.

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[ivanc0]

No one said that being a JEW is bad, is Just that paul Said if you get circumcised you need to obey all the law, and the ones that wanted to be circumcised were the Jews.
As a concecuence if you want to obey the law of Moses for any reason you need to circumcise in the flesh, this is absolutely clear in Paula writings.

You want to work around this saying that circumcision in the heart is a substitute, This was not the intention of Paul words. Is clear that circumcision of the heart means grace, and grace mean live without the "law of moses".

To probe my point that the law has no effect for the gentiles, lets study the law of tithing!

Who the gentiles will pay tithing and who the Jew Christians will Pay tithing?

The gentiles will not be able to pay to the Levites!
and the Jew Christians will have to pay to the Levites.
So no one have to pay tithing to the christian church.

Are you able to show your ideas about this.

No opinions on this? Come on Law and tithing People.....Demolish my Ideas!
I am not challenging any one I just need to see the Ideas against my argument, so see if could hold water or not.

 

[phil112]

................ I wonder about your choice of the word "grammar," after all it is more a typo than anything else since it is spelled correctly..........................

Typo? You hit the wrong key 6 times and you call it a typo? That is the word you meant to use? Then your posting is absolutely senseless. The word has no meaning in the sentence you put it in. You type garbage intentionally? No one can understand that kind of sentence structure.
The reason you wonder about my "choice of the word grammar" is because you don't know what it means.

You go ahead and condemn me for pointing out that your posts are senseless. Sure, it's my fault you babble.

 

[Alfonz6463]

I keep seeing that Jehovah's witness accusation wielded like a bat. I observe the Sabbath and am not affiliated with any organization. Why is it necessary to insult people to prove your point? The answer is, people result to insult and name calling when they have no other argument.

Thank you, Karraster, for expressing what I was thinking. I am saddened by some of the posts in this thread. You are right , there is no reason to get nasty. It just drives people away who may have questions that can be answered. Why would I want to reveal my ignorance or foolishness if I'm going to be insulted or ridiculed?

 

[phil112]

.................. This same person did refer to my beloved sister in Yeshua, Jesus, as a fool. Unless of course labeling someone as foolish is not refering to him as a fool. My response is also due to that person setting himself up as a kind of source authority on grammar. ..................

Anyone who ignores clear scripture and and tries to convince others to follow that flawed doctrine, who ignores the bible time and again to justify such false doctrine, who perverts scripture to enforce such bunk, is a fool.
An authority on grammar? Because I went to grade school? Do you suppose that a parent doesn't have the necessary knowledge to teach his kids, that it takes an "authority" to point out an error?

Friend, you need to stop letting truth getting under your skin. I have not lied nor misrepresented anything in my conversation, and you take umbrage at it?
The problem is you, and by me pointing that out, I become anathema?
You need to look at this conservation a little more and reflect on what is being said.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is not taking umbrage when one passes on the command of Jesus, Yeshua, to someone who claims to love the family in Yeshua, it is an admonishment. Now I am compelled by the Word to say good bye to you. If you continue correcting others on matters of a word or how they express themselves when what they have to share is understood, I am afraid you are missing the foundational intention of fellowship. Good bye and may Yahweh show you what is truly imortant within the family structure........amen.

 

[Grandpa]

1 Timothy 1:6-11
[SUP]6 [/SUP]From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Romans 10:3-4

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The law is good if a man use it lawfully. How is it used lawfully?

Galatians 3:23-26

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

As a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. But after that faith is come we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Why? Why are we no longer under the law after we have come to Christ? Because we are under Grace and have been given the Holy Spirit which sheds the love of God abroad in our hearts. We don't need a law anymore that says don't harm your neighbor because the love of God is in our hearts. We don't need a law anymore that says love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and strength because He loved us first and gave us a new heart that could feel His Love, and love Him back.

We don't need a law to practice resting in the Strength of the Lord. Because the Holy Spirit has shown us that is our only chance and only Hope. The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.



Romans 3:19-22

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


I wonder how it is that more Christians don't understand this. I wonder if its because they have had too much training by men and not enough by God.

 

[Karraster]

We "deceivers that says God has changed his mind by sending Christ" because Jesus fulfilled the law have said all along that the law leads to Christ, i.e. "convince them about Jesus both from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets."

You are in error, because God did not change His mind, since the Word does tell us the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world and Jesus did not teach the law is abolished.

fulfilled=filled full...do you not know that Jesus added to the law by adding even if "in our hearts" we want to sin?
abolished= done away with

Your message is a slippery way to teach tolerance of sin. That is preaching a false Messiah. It is the new wave of religion. God is love and He is merciful, Jesus paid with blood for our transgression, and taught us to go sin no more. But anyone who reads can see the Word for himself. If you love Messiah, keep His commandments.

Messiah will eradicate the world of lawlessness when He returns, the deceiver and his children, there will be no rebels in God's Kingdom.

 

[Karraster]

I suppose that is a cardinal sin in your book. You demonstrated you understood, but, you just could not pass up the opportunity to berate your brother in Yeshua in public. I do know the difference, but as I get older I find myself using more and more homonyms in place of the word I may have in mind.

Very recently I posted on people who understand others going to the exaggerated lengths of correcting people who are not real astute in spelling or grammar. I stated, as long as what is posted is understood, leave them alone. That is unless you are willing to take them in tow (toe) and tutor them in spelling and grammar for the rest of their lives. I wonder about your choice of the word "grammar," after all it is more a typo than anything else since it is spelled correctly.

Yes, you are a tower of intelligencia. Thanks for telling me about this. It is certain the entire forum is glad to hear you. Oh, you may correct my spelling, typos, grammar and the like all you want, but you will be a very busy individual...

We know them by their fruit.