Amillennial theology is in error - (no literal thousand year reign)

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The question is this Zone, have the enemies of Jesus Christ been made his footstool yet?

The obvious answer is no. But they will be at the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.







There will be a Millennial Reign. And it will take place immediately after the Judgment of the Nations (sheep and goats). See Matthew 25:31-46.





Zone, the King James Bible that I have right now in my hands does not have any footnotes in it. I simply believe what it says.

Zone seems to have this 'footnote' fetish with all you who believe in the Millennial Reign while she has, on many occasions, managed to insert her own 'foot' in that common place for the tongue. She can be a 'dipsy' minded person sometimes because of her insecurity in that area.
 
That's correct.
I am starting to study more into the system of Sacrifice that will be implemented during the Millennial Kingdom.

well if it's not in your Bible footnotes, your sources are the same apostate and totally blasphemous sources as others who believe this.

as sickening as it is, i suppose we have to know who they are among us.

they went out from us...to show they were NEVER of us.

Hebrews 13
9Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them. 10We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat. 11For the bodies of those animals whose blood is brought into the holy places by the high priest as a sacrifice for sin are burned outside the camp.

Zone seems to have this 'footnote' fetish with all you who believe in the Millennial Reign while she has, on many occasions, managed to insert her own 'foot' in that common place for the tongue. She can be a 'dipsy' minded person sometimes because of her insecurity in that area.

your ABOMINABLE Millennial Temple:

Ezekiel 40:39
In the portico of the gateway were two tables on each side, on which the burnt offerings, sin offerings and guilt offerings were slaughtered.

....

Hebrews 10
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All

1For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5Consequently, when Christa came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”

8When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 13
12So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood. 13Therefore let us go to him outside the camp and bear the reproach he endured. 14For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come. 15Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
 
Galatians 1
6I am shocked that you are turning away so soon from God, who called you to himself through the loving mercy of Christ.
You are following a different way that pretends to be the Good News 7but is not the Good News at all. You are being fooled by those who deliberately twist the truth concerning Christ.

8Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you. 9I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed.

2 Corinthians 11:4
3But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 4For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.
 
uh, do y'all ever think about this one?

1st Corinthians 15:23) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 .) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 .) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 .) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 .) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 .) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

So, just wondering here, kinda thinking out loud ya know, but didn't Jesus "destroy death" with His resurrection? Kinda like is says later in vs. 55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 .) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 .) But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


So, IF Jesus has ALREADY conquered death and the grave, what does that do to the rest of all this?

Doesn't the Apostle mention that "if Jesus is not risen, then our faith is in vain?" With His resurrection, are we who believe in Him given victory over death and the grave?

anyway, just wondering.......
 
And this is pretty much the problem with the amillenialist who have missed the mark.

Well I don't know about Mark, didn't know him well enough to really "miss" him, but, shoot, if he's a friend of yours, then it's ok if you miss him...........

I notice you didn't reconcile your belief with the Scriptures I suggested you consider......did they not fit your ideology?
 
And here we go again !
Why some people just refuse to accept the truth as it is written and get lost in endless and vain human speculation ?

If the Lord said He created the Universe and all that is in it in literal six days, why not ?
Is there anything impossible to the Lord ?

If the Lord said in Revelation He would establish a literal millennium on earth with His resurrected saints, why not ?
Is there anything impossible to the Lord ?
 
yet according to Rom 11.

1. They are still beloved, even though they are our enemy
2. They will all be saved one day, as God removed their blindness and cleanses them.


Good post and let put it up in big letters...

Rom 11:28-31

28 From the point of view of the Gospel (good news), they [the Jews, at present] are enemies [of God], which is for your advantage and benefit. But from the point of view of God’s choice (of election, of divine selection), they are still the beloved (dear to Him) for the sake of their forefathers.
29 For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable. [He never withdraws them when once they are given, and He does not change His mind about those to whom He gives His grace or to whom He sends His call.]
30 Just as you were once disobedient and rebellious toward God but now have obtained [His] mercy, through their disobedience,
31 So they also now are being disobedient [when you are receiving mercy], that they in turn may one day, through the mercy you are enjoying, also receive mercy [that they may share the mercy which has been shown to you—through you as messengers of the Gospel to them].

And to think that some on here do not believe that this passage has a present day application because their foolish heart has been darkened by their own deceit in how they have handled the scriptures. I do not consider them to be a brother in the same unfeigned faith that I have been taught by the Spirit. PERIOD!
 
he's just being more consistent, using the same system you use, EG.
it's the ugly and heretical logical conclusion.
you don't appear to go there...but that's what this is.

It has nothing to do with my system.

He has just taken my system and distorted it.

My system just takes history and interprets it literally and tries to break it up by different ways God dealt with Mankind here on eart And does the same for the future Thats it. Nothign tricky or deceptive about it.
 
It doesn't say that they are our enemies, but that they are GOD's enemies. The unbelieving portion are GOD's enemies through our obedience, and the believing remnant is beloved through the promises made to the fathers.

Um. No, it say they are our enemies. Concerning the gospel. But beloved because of the fathers.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

How can you twist it to mean something else? The same people are being spoken of here. Not two groups.
 
Romans 11:19) Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 .) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 .) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 .) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 .) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 .) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Romans 9:25) As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 .) And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 .) Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28 .) For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Isaiah 10:17) And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;
18 .) And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.
19 .) And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.
20 .) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
21 .) The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
22 .) For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
23 .) For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.
 
Cool your jets. All you have to do is respond to whatever point you wish and leave it there, if that makes you feel better. For one person to respond to every point is senseless and not productive. Allow others to pick up on other points and discuss those as you see fit. Let it be a body discussion and not a discussion where o few people dominate.

Sorry, But when you have long posts from both sides (sarah did it in another thread) it gets old. I would not expect them to point by point refute our cuts and pastes any more than they should expect us to.

It does not prove a point. 95 % or more of these cuts and pasts are biased writings of someone. And thus should not even be used, because they are biased.
 
Hate to tell you this, but God's throne is in heaven, and there is nothing to suggest that Christ will take flesh again.

lol. As the angel said.

In the same way you saw him depart, will be the same way you will see him return.

The angel lets us know he will return in the same flesh he walked on this earth post his ressurection. So please do not tell us he will not return in his flesh.
 
The new covenant does seem to come to an abrupt end at Christ’s return with the gathering of God's elect, the first fruits (the first resurrection and the changed). Those who are ruled on this earth with a rod of Iron after Christ’s return with Satan bound and out of the way for a 1,000 years are not ruled the same way God’s elect (first fruits) were ruled by yielding to the Holy Spirit under the new covenant and overcoming to the end in the midst of a dark world ruled and swayed by Satan.

When putting the old testament scriptures about the events following the Day of the Lord together with Revelation It seems that there will be a different arrangement, maybe a different agreement/covenant at that time between God and the nations (peoples) that are left who will be ruled with a rod of iron..... and for the first time in human history... in the absence of satanic influences. Interesting to note that without Satan’s influences men will still need to be ruled with a rod of iron. God has made many covenants between men at different times and it seems another one would be fitting for this new age.

I can’t ignore the following scripture in Zechariah:

“And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain.... This shall be the punishment of...all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”

Looks like people will be ruled with the rod of no-rain for not coming up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Now yes… all of this can be easily discounted and swept under the rug if we were to convert everything over to spiritual symbolism but from what I can see there will be physical people left alive on this earth after Christ’s return. The only question is exactly how they will be dealt with. But no matter how they’re dealt with in the new age, those under the New Covenant at this time are not being dealt with in the same manner. And I’m not about to adopt ordinances that will be given to those who are ruled with a rod of iron in the new age to myself who has yielded to the Holy Spirit in this present age.
 
oh?

For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
(1 Corinthians 13:12)

since THEY WERE receiving those revelations in REAL TIME....they have been compiled and recorded as a whole - FOR US.

we know more now than THEY did then as individuals in real time.
at least we should - we have EVERYTHING needed, every single thing God has revealed is written down.

and yet we have people TRAMPLING the shed blood of JESUS CHRIST to revert back to animal sacrifices.
this is not Christianity.

this is a Judaized corruption of Christianity and everyone holding to this is literally DENYING that Jesus IS THE Christ.
 
There will be a Millennial Reign. And it will take place immediately after the Judgment of the Nations (sheep and goats). See Matthew 25:31-46.

Zone, the King James Bible that I have right now in my hands does not have any footnotes in it. I simply believe what it says.

well excuse me - i know you do not believe what it says by simply reading it.

there is absolutely no possbile way anyone can read the judgment of the sheep and goats - and call it the judgment of the "nations" meaning gentiles....that's JUDGMENT DAY, and the sheep are sheep and go into eternal life, and the goats are goats and go to eternal punishment.

they are NOT judged by what they did and did not do (the least of these my brothers) - they are already separated by WHAT KIND THEY ARE before their works are ever discussed.

Christ's brethren there are CHRISTIANS. not jews (unless they are Jewish Christians).

i know without a doubt that if you believe the sheep and goats judgment is about how gentiles treated jews, you're LONG GONE.

you have "study aids" that have driven you away from orthodoxy and into total heresy.

....the sheep and goats is the END OF IT ALL....there's no Millennium after that.

but you are already sacrificing animals in your mind. disgraceful. how DARE YOU.

i pray that anyone who hasn't been infected beyond cure by this disease of dispensationalism is able to see (in HORROR) what it really is.
 
1st Corinthians 15:33) Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 .) Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35 .) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 .) Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 .) And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 .) But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 .) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 .) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 .) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 .) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 .) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 .) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 .) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 .) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 .) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 .) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 .) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 .) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 .) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 .) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 .) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 .) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 .) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 .) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 .) But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 .) Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
 
1st Thessalonians 4:13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 .) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 .) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 .) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 .) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 .) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
 
I'm all in agreement as to wondering why folks don't believe...........yup..........all in agreement....... :)
 
lol. As the angel said.

In the same way you saw him depart, will be the same way you will see him return.

The angel lets us know he will return in the same flesh he walked on this earth post his ressurection. So please do not tell us he will not return in his flesh.

Nonsense. Matt 24;27 "For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." When the Son of Man comes again, he will be visible to all, not just a few apostles on a mountain.

In fact Christ specifically says: Matt 24;26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it."

Thus is anyone says "Look, there he is, sitting on David's throne in Jerusalem, you are not to believe it."

You are already disobeying Christ for being prepared to believe exactly what he instructed you not to do.

Mark my words: Dispyism is the new Pharisee'ism, it's the new legalism, the notion that the Israel of law will be saved. You are putting yourselves into the same category as the false teachers in Galations who preached the continuation of the law. Serious consequences!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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