If a woman were to preach, exactly what commandment would she be breaking? If it's not a sin than what's the problem?
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Obeying the letter of the law whether you feel like it or not never worked. Still doesn't. It leads to death.
We follow now in the new and lifegiving way of the Spirit, from the heart.
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Ralph-
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Paul disagrees completely...
"31Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law (through faith)."-Romans 3:31
Your freedom in Christ is not freedom from the requirements of the law. Freedom in Christ is being ABLE to fulfill and uphold the law.
The problem is that men like their hierarchical models. Everyone raves about the newest one to come out in the churches.
I mean, someone has to be in charge of the ship, right? Has to be a man, right? Can't possibly be the Holy Spirit!
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SpoonJuly
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Well, I guess when those 120 were in that upper room, they were doing it wrong.
What about the 5000 that Jesus taught and fed?
It is not the size of the assembly that is important, but what is being taught.
Yes, I agree we do not nullify the law. He causes us to obey it, not disobey it. But it is through the obedience of trust that we come to be lawabiding. Not through obedience to law ( and certainly not to any Law of Paul men insist on).
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Ralph-
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It is the Holy Spirit in charge of the ship....working through a man. That's just the way it is. Live with it.
I'm not that man. Neither are most of the men here in this forum. But whoever it is that the Holy Spirit is leading the church through it is a man somewhere, someplace, not a woman. That's just the way God ordained it.
I suggest you examine your heart and ask yourself why this is unacceptable to you. What are you afraid of? Why can't you trust God with his way in this?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Joel 2:28-29, “And after this it shall be that I pour out My Spirit on all flesh. And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men dream dreams, your young men see visions. And also on the male servants and on the female servants I shall pour out My Spirit in those days.”[/FONT]
These are all female prophets;
Micah 6:4, "for I brought you up from the land of Mitsrayim, and I ransomed you from the house of bondage. And I sent Mosheh, Aharon, and Miryam before you."
Judges 4:4, "And Deḇorah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappiḏoth, was ruling Yisra’ĕl at that time."
2 Kings 22:14, "Then Ḥilqiyahu the priest, and Aḥiqam, and Aḵbor, and Shaphan, and Asayah went to Ḥuldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum son of Tiqwah, son of Ḥarḥas, keeper of the wardrobe. Now she was dwelling in Yerushalayim in the Second Quarter. And they spoke with her.
Nehemiah 6:14, "My Elohim, remember Toḇiyah and Sanballat, according to these works of theirs, and the prophetess No‛aḏyah and the rest of the prophets who would have made me afraid."
Isaiah 8:3, "And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. And יהוה said to me, “Call his name Mahĕr-Shalal-Ḥash-Baz;"
Luke 2:36, "And there was Ḥannah, a prophetess, a daughter of Penu’ĕl, of the tribe of Ashĕr. She was advanced in years, and had lived with a husband seven years from her maidenhood,"
Acts 21:8-9, "And on the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and went into the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. Now this one had four maiden daughters who prophesied."
Yet Paul says “it is improper for women to speak in an assembly”So how were these women able to speak prophecies of Yah? Some say because it wasn’t in a church. However they can speak prophecies to some of the most important people of Yah on earth? And what makes a assembly or church? Is it a 501c3 agreement with a government? Or is it of Yah? Seems Yah allowed these women to speak His words.
1 Corinthians 14:34, “Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for they are not allowed to speak, but let them subject themselves, as the Law also says*. and if they wish to learn whatever, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in an assembly.”
*Except the Law does not say that.
People look to this verse, however it say nothing about women not speaking in a congregation;
Genesis 3:16, “To the woman He said, “I greatly increase your sorrow and your conception – bring forth children in pain. And your desire is for your husband, and he does rule over you.”
1 Corinthians 14:34
New International Version
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
These are all female prophets;
Micah 6:4, "for I brought you up from the land of Mitsrayim, and I ransomed you from the house of bondage. And I sent Mosheh, Aharon, and Miryam before you."
Judges 4:4, "And Deḇorah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappiḏoth, was ruling Yisra’ĕl at that time."
2 Kings 22:14, "Then Ḥilqiyahu the priest, and Aḥiqam, and Aḵbor, and Shaphan, and Asayah went to Ḥuldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum son of Tiqwah, son of Ḥarḥas, keeper of the wardrobe. Now she was dwelling in Yerushalayim in the Second Quarter. And they spoke with her.
Nehemiah 6:14, "My Elohim, remember Toḇiyah and Sanballat, according to these works of theirs, and the prophetess No‛aḏyah and the rest of the prophets who would have made me afraid."
Isaiah 8:3, "And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. And יהוה said to me, “Call his name Mahĕr-Shalal-Ḥash-Baz;"
Luke 2:36, "And there was Ḥannah, a prophetess, a daughter of Penu’ĕl, of the tribe of Ashĕr. She was advanced in years, and had lived with a husband seven years from her maidenhood,"
Acts 21:8-9, "And on the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and went into the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. Now this one had four maiden daughters who prophesied."
Yet Paul says “it is improper for women to speak in an assembly”So how were these women able to speak prophecies of Yah? Some say because it wasn’t in a church. However they can speak prophecies to some of the most important people of Yah on earth? And what makes a assembly or church? Is it a 501c3 agreement with a government? Or is it of Yah? Seems Yah allowed these women to speak His words.
1 Corinthians 14:34, “Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for they are not allowed to speak, but let them subject themselves, as the Law also says*. and if they wish to learn whatever, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in an assembly.”
*Except the Law does not say that.
People look to this verse, however it say nothing about women not speaking in a congregation;
Genesis 3:16, “To the woman He said, “I greatly increase your sorrow and your conception – bring forth children in pain. And your desire is for your husband, and he does rule over you.”
1 Corinthians 14:34
New International Version
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
So... how does "freedom in Christ" enable you to sacrifice a bull, stone an adulterer, or become perfect?
Which works of the Law do you add to faith, such that you complete the work Christ is doing?
I encourage you to take a fresh look at Galatians, particular 3:1-5.
One more thing... how does this relate to women preaching?
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Ralph-
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An open Bible study with a hundred, or hundreds of people sharing with each other, building each other up doesn't work. It doesn't work because it can't happen.
No...I won't live with it but will instead keep proclaiming liberty to those He died for. Live with it.
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loyaldisciple
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John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:33 "He who has received His testimony has set his seal to this, that God is true.
1Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Corinthians 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:35 - And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
John 3:33 "He who has received His testimony has set his seal to this, that God is true.
1Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Corinthians 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:35 - And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
It most certainly CAN happen if they walk in the Spirit. If they walk in the law and their flesh, it most definitely CAN'T happen.
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Ralph-
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Uh oh.....here we go again. Another Christian who can only understand obedience to the law as one trying to perfect and save themselves. Thank you, church, for making us blooming idiots when it comes to the law in this New Covenant.
You'll have to ask Stunned. I think it's a personal grudge she's holding.
Out of courtesy to her that's all I'll say.
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loyaldisciple
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Lamentations 3:22-24 We are still alive because the Lord’s faithful love never ends. Every morning he shows it in new ways! You are so very true and loyal! I say to myself, “The Lord is my God, and I trust him.”
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Ralph-
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No, if you knew what makes the meetings me and keys are talking about you'd know it's about having the opportunity to share between each other that makes it work.
We are not allowed to do that in the way we think church must be conducted (or else it's not really church). That's why they are so Spiritless, cold, dead, and useless........and boring.
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Ralph-
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Which, a church of a hundred and more people where I get fed, or just having a church where I get fed?
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AuntieAnt
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Any person or group of persons who assume the role of spiritual authoritarian (members of clergy, online religious commentators, etc.) in your life who makes you feel they are official mediator between you and God is a spiritual abuser. Anyone who continues to shame you with the Bible, neglects your beliefs, and behaves as though they alone have the knowledge to interpret the scriptures is a spiritual abuser.
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You can find several crisis centers, which will offer you information on how and where to get help. Just Google “spiritual religious abuse help”. If you need additional help, pm me and I will help you find resources.