Are women under a curse?

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Demi777

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Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Our bodies still die so we are still under that curse. All of creation is under this curse that was cast that time. Just we can make it to God through Jesus.. thats at least my interpretation

 
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Generalization is not without exception. Enoch and Elijah didn't actually die. It however by no means says that physical death of humans is not a curse due to Adam's deed.
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Enoch and Elijah were teleported into God's eternal presence. They're exceptions to the rule in a fallen world.
 
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well...if I stub my toe does that mean I am no longer a new creation in Christ?

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there is pain, suffering and death all around us...that is not what I am talking about...we live in a fallen world

God call us to live IN Christ...not on the level of physical only

I hope you don't think I mean WOF or something here...cause not at all
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I simply made an answer to the subject "Are women under a curse?". The curse made due to Adam's and Eve's deed basically has nothing to do with we are as the new creatures in Christ.

The curse made are still there as we still die our physical death. It has nothing to do with how we are new creatures in Christ. That's the point I was trying to make.
 
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Hawkins said:
Generalization is not without exception. Enoch and Elijah didn't actually die. It however by no means says that physical death of humans is not a curse due to Adam's deed.
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I never really looked at it but does it say in scripture that Enoch and Elijah never physically died? I know that God took them but it doesn't say that they didn't die physically after they were taken - where they were taken to is another question - most likely the holding place of the righteous before Christ came for them. ( paradise )

I think sometimes we "read" into things that are not stated outrightly and then we assume they are facts but they turn out to be just our own thinking and presuppositions. But maybe there is a scripture that shows these two didn't die physically after they were taken away? I don't know....:)
 
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Enoch and Elijah were teleported into God's eternal presence. They're exceptions to the rule in a fallen world.
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Yes. All I meant to say is that these two exception will not invalidate the generalization that humans as a whole are still under the curse due to Adam's deed as humans still die their physical death.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
I never really looked at it but does it say in scripture that Enoch and Elijah never physically died? I know that God took them but it doesn't say that they didn't die physically after they were taken - where they were taken to is another question - most likely the holding place of the righteous before Christ came for them. ( paradise )

I think sometimes we "read" into things that are not stated outrightly and then we assume they are facts but they turn out to be just our own thinking and presuppositions. But maybe there is a scripture that shows these two didn't die physically after they were taken away? I don't know....:)
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On the other hand, do you have the verses saying that they experienced death?
 
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[SUP]Concerning Enoch:

21 [/SUP]Enoch lived sixty-five years, and became the father of Methuselah. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Then Enoch walked with God three hundred years after he became the father of Methuselah, and he had other sons and daughters. [SUP]23 [/SUP]So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

Genesis 5:21-24

[SUP]5 [/SUP]By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.

Hebrews 11:5
 
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Surely in Christ we are under blessing not a curse :) . We are new creatures in Him, looking to put off this flesh of death which lusts against the spirit. And women, you know yourselves that you are not only under blessing but are a blessing! "He who finds a wife finds a good thing, AND receives favors from the Lord"

I often find I am jealous of the female mystic who have such a deep intimacy with The Lord. They perceive him rightly as their King, their Lord, their bridegroom who has courted and wooed them and won them to his heart , longing forever to be a prisoner of His love, to serve in perfect obedience for the man who has promised Himself to us his bride forever! What a holy marriage , what a furious romance. And I get lost in it too ! Swimming in the ocean of his love as His bride. But one stupid image of me in a wedding dress, or "dude bromance", or "gay" from probably the tiniest most annoying powerless demon or tempter is enough to sidetrack my thoughts if only for a moment . I'm very jealous of women in this regard because they can picture themselves utterly dependent, completely weak, captivated and enamored in the loving arms of our bethrothed King of glory, in splendid romance with no distractions from the world, fully dependent on His love and strength for each breath they take. Surely we will be transformed on that day, and all will feel the same adoration for Christ our bridegroom ... But now, the limited minds and imagination we have, well it seems women have such a wonderful advantage in imagining the blissful romance with the Lover of our souls!

So yes. Women in Christ are 100% under blessing and not curse!
 
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Tintin said:
Enoch and Elijah were teleported into God's eternal presence. They're exceptions to the rule in a fallen world.
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This brings up the question about that no flesh can stand before God. Does it say anywhere in scripture that they didn't die physically before going to where ever they went?

Of course God can by His power transform people's bodied - He does it all the time. As I said..I have no idea about this question..just a bunch of questions..lol..of course this is all non-essential stuff here too.

 
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Grace777x70 said:
I never really looked at it but does it say in scripture that Enoch and Elijah never physically died? I know that God took them but it doesn't say that they didn't die physically after they were taken - where they were taken to is another question - most likely the holding place of the righteous before Christ came for them. ( paradise )

I think sometimes we "read" into things that are not stated outrightly and then we assume they are facts but they turn out to be just our own thinking and presuppositions. But maybe there is a scripture that shows these two didn't die physically after they were taken away? I don't know....:)
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they both didnt physically die. It decribes Elijah's leaving like this
2 kings 2:11
[FONT=&quot]11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.[/FONT]
 
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Demi777 said:
they both didnt physically die. It decribes Elijah's leaving like this
2 kings 2:11
11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
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You are right. It is in ancient Jewish POV that they didn't physically die.
 
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Demi777 said:
they both didnt physically die. It decribes Elijah's leaving like this
2 kings 2:11
11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
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[FONT=&quot]12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan;
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[FONT=&quot]14 And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the Lord God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over.[/FONT]
 
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Grace777x70 said:
I never really looked at it but does it say in scripture that Enoch and Elijah never physically died? I know that God took them but it doesn't say that they didn't die physically after they were taken - where they were taken to is another question - most likely the holding place of the righteous before Christ came for them. ( paradise )

I think sometimes we "read" into things that are not stated outrightly and then we assume they are facts but they turn out to be just our own thinking and presuppositions. But maybe there is a scripture that shows these two didn't die physically after they were taken away? I don't know....:)
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I think God in the flesh did clarified that for us "no man has ever been to heaven except the Son of man who came down from heaven"
 
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Concerning Elijah:

And it came about when the Lord was about to take up Elijah by a whirlwind to heaven, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

2 Kings 2:1

[SUP]11 [/SUP]As they were going along and talking, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Elisha saw it and cried out, “My father, my father, the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!” And he saw Elijah no more.

2 Kings 2:11-12
 
Demi777

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Hawkins said:
You are right. It is in ancient Jewish POV that they didn't physically die.
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:p I try to be right on often..And I think Ive been doing a pretty good job at it too. Thanks hehe :D
 
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Demi777 said:
they both didnt physically die. It decribes Elijah's leaving like this
2 kings 2:11
11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
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We are adding in that they didn't die physically after being taken but they may still have a physical human body made in Adam's image now. - But I highly doubt it. It would seem to me that their bodies would have to change because we can't be in the presence of the Lord with these bodies still made under Adam's sin that changed us back then.

Anyway it has a much worth in knowing as the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin....lol.

We will know at some point later when we get to be with the Lord although it will probably be the 10th billion question that we will be asking when we see Him.
 
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Tintin said:
[SUP]Concerning Enoch:

21 [/SUP]Enoch lived sixty-five years, and became the father of Methuselah. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Then Enoch walked with God three hundred years after he became the father of Methuselah, and he had other sons and daughters. [SUP]23 [/SUP]So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

Genesis 5:21-24

[SUP]5[/SUP]By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.

Hebrews 11:5
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There....that answered it for me...now another question one might bring up - is he talking about spiritual death or physical. I think physical death myself after reading this scripture. Good find! Thanks.

 
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Jesus in His death, resurrection and ascension paved the way for believers to receive their glorified new bodies. So I think Enoch and Elijah went to be with God, but they weren't yet given their glorified new bodies. After all, they were still Old Testament prophets.
 
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