Are you in The New Covenant “Relationship” with God?

[memberofthebride]

1 Corinthians 11

25 After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup “is” the new “testament” in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.

A Testament (diathéké: Covenant, Testament) is a contract, a covenant, an agreement between two parties. The two parties to the New Covenant are God and each individual agreeing to perform, TO DO, to live by the terms and conditions i.e. “by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. “

Jesus Christ was clear, “”every Word”” The Tora, the Old T and the New T came from the mouth of God.

Within a covenant or contract there are agreed upon terms and conditions which each party has agreed to perform. A covenant is not one sided, both parties will have duties, obligations they must fulfill.

The New Covenant establishes a “Relationship” for those agreeing to the requirements and terms in the New Covenant. By The New Covenant, God the Father brings those He alone calls, into A Father/Son intimate relationship.

Each Party to a Covenant must perform the terms and conditions set forth in the covenant. A Covenant is not one sided, both parties have duties and conditions they have agreed to perform.

Under the terms of the New Covenant, God has agreed to give eternal life to all those willing to obey, to live according to God’s ONE ‘narrow’ WAY defined by His Law.

The entirety of the WORD, both Old and New, states no one will be given eternal life that has not come out of sin, repented of sin.
What defines sin and who has the right to define, codify sin?

Yes, humans must be converted, must have their sinful human nature replaced by the Divine Nature of God to gain Eternal Life!

2 Peter 1

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Contrary to accepted doctrine (grace), the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ, requires Christian’s to obey Every Word of God and be transformed, converted by God The Father’s Spirit working in them into living God’s ONE sinless perfect Way.

Our Father and His Son will not enter a family relationship with sinners. Rev 21: 8

You can ignore the words of our Maker at your own peril. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

“The Bible” came directly from the mouth of God, the whole Bible.

Jesus Christ stated clearly --- “by every Word” --- not just those you agree with.

 

[Dino246]

This OP has “agenda” written all over it.

The two parties to the New Covenant are God and each individual agreeing to perform, TO DO, to live by the terms and conditions i.e.
“by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

Nowhere in Scripture is this phrase directly associated with the New Covenant.

 

[memberofthebride]

This OP has “agenda” written all over it.



Nowhere in Scripture is this phrase directly associated with the New Covenant.

33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; (leb: heart, hearts, mind) and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

under the New Covenant the Torah, the word law in verse 33 is Torah, will become the nature of the people of God.
Christ stated all flesh will live by every Word.

God will have an eternal relationship only with those with HIS Divine Nature.

our carnal human nature must be changed to divine nature. There will be no carnal nature in the Kingdom of God.

The Torah reveal the Divine Holy Righteous nature of God the Father and Jesus Christ which must our nature before any can have an eternal relationship with God the Father.

Any person that refuses to be converted, that rejects The Father's divine Nature becoming their nature, to live by the same Law as God --- will never enter the Kingdom.
First chapter of Genesis states God is forming us in HIS Image, God is perfect righteousness, the Torah define what God has determined is righteousness.

I fully understand the doctrine of "grace" will exist until Christ returns. The above can not change one mind, only the Father changes minds.

 

[memberofthebride]

Paul's misunderstood doctrine of grace is simply -- faith is all one needs, no change in a person is required, nothing is required but accepting Christ with words from your mouth.

Jesus Christ counters that with
21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Just uttering words is nothing! even a child can do that ----- Doing the Will of God is a requirement!

proclaiming Jesus is your Master with out doing is nothing.

Plus what one does must be lawful, must be the will of the Father.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Dino246]

under the New Covenant the Torah, the word law in verse 33 is Torah, will become the nature of the people of God.
Christ stated all flesh will live by every Word.

You're still focused on your agenda instead of on the words of Scripture.

Nowhere does Scripture say that "Christ stated all flesh will live by every word". You're taking a bits of Scripture from different places, conflating them, and claiming those amalgamations are Scripture. That's not proper hermeneutical methodoloy.

Until you can demonstrate that the phrase “by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" is associated in Scripture with the New Covenant, you have no case.

You can't, because it isn't.

 

[Dino246]

Paul's misunderstood doctrine of grace is simply -- faith is all one needs, no change in a person is required, nothing is required but accepting Christ with words from your mouth.

Jesus Christ counters that with
21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Just uttering words is nothing! even a child can do that ----- Doing the Will of God is a requirement!

proclaiming Jesus is your Master with out doing is nothing.

Plus what one does must be lawful, must be the will of the Father.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

That's your misrepresentation of the doctrine of grace, not the doctrine as it is presented in Scripture. There was one time that Jesus "countered" Paul: on the road to Damascus, when as Saul (the Pharisee!), he was seeking to destroy Christ's Church.

 

[markss]

You're still focused on your agenda instead of on the words of Scripture.

Nowhere does Scripture say that "Christ stated all flesh will live by every word". You're taking a bits of Scripture from different places, conflating them, and claiming those amalgamations are Scripture. That's not proper hermeneutical methodoloy.

Until you can demonstrate that the phrase “by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" is associated in Scripture with the New Covenant, you have no case.

You can't, because it isn't.

This kind of theology (OP) would have us all building arks waiting for the rain . . .

Much love!

 

[Soyeong]

1 Corinthians 11

25 After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup “is” the new “testament” in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.

A Testament (diathéké: Covenant, Testament) is a contract, a covenant, an agreement between two parties. The two parties to the New Covenant are God and each individual agreeing to perform, TO DO, to live by the terms and conditions i.e. “by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. “

Jesus Christ was clear, “”every Word”” The Tora, the Old T and the New T came from the mouth of God.

Within a covenant or contract there are agreed upon terms and conditions which each party has agreed to perform. A covenant is not one sided, both parties will have duties, obligations they must fulfill.

The New Covenant establishes a “Relationship” for those agreeing to the requirements and terms in the New Covenant. By The New Covenant, God the Father brings those He alone calls, into A Father/Son intimate relationship.

Each Party to a Covenant must perform the terms and conditions set forth in the covenant. A Covenant is not one sided, both parties have duties and conditions they have agreed to perform.

Under the terms of the New Covenant, God has agreed to give eternal life to all those willing to obey, to live according to God’s ONE ‘narrow’ WAY defined by His Law.

The entirety of the WORD, both Old and New, states no one will be given eternal life that has not come out of sin, repented of sin.
What defines sin and who has the right to define, codify sin?

Yes, humans must be converted, must have their sinful human nature replaced by the Divine Nature of God to gain Eternal Life!

2 Peter 1

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Contrary to accepted doctrine (grace), the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ, requires Christian’s to obey Every Word of God and be transformed, converted by God The Father’s Spirit working in them into living God’s ONE sinless perfect Way.

Our Father and His Son will not enter a family relationship with sinners. Rev 21: 8

You can ignore the words of our Maker at your own peril. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

“The Bible” came directly from the mouth of God, the whole Bible.

Jesus Christ stated clearly --- “by every Word” --- not just those you agree with.

Indeed, the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our heart (Jeremiah 31:33) and God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah (Ezekiel 36:27-26). It does not make any sense to me why someone would want to come under the New Covenant while not wanting to obey the Torah. Jesus also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those are are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be initiators of Paul as he is of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1), so it doesn't make any sense to me why someone would want to be a follower Christ while not wanting to be follower of his example of obedience to the Torah. Or why anyone would want to be follower of God's Word made flesh while not wanting to be a follower of his example of making God's Word flesh.

The Hebrew word “yada” refers to intimate relationships/knowledge gained by experience, such as with Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. God’s way is the way to know (yada) Him and Jesus by having the experience of embodying His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew (yada) Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know (yada) Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Torah is to graciously teach us how to experience an intimate relationship with God and Jesus by walking in His way. It doesn't make any sense to me why anyone would want to have an intimate relationship with God while not wanting to follow His instructions for how to do that.

Sin is what is contrary to walking in God's way, such as with unrighteousness being sin, and sin is the transgression of the Torah (1 John 3:4) because in was given in order to teach us how to walk in God's way (1 Kings 2:1-3), so doesn't make any sense to me why someone who think that they are not obligated to obey the Torah would also think that they need to refrain from sin or think that they need salvation from sin. Why would anyone want to be a follower of God while not wanting to walk in His way?

 

[Dino246]

It does not make any sense to me why someone would want to come under the New Covenant while not wanting to obey the Torah.

Many people who come to Christ know nothing of the torah.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Indeed, the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our heart

Writing the law upon the heart is figurative language for the indwelling holy spirit, which is the law of God. It whispers and we obey

And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. 1 Kings 19:12​

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And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. Isaiah 30:20-21​

 

[memberofthebride]

Many people who come to Christ know nothing of the torah.

Jesus Christ is THE WORD of God, it was His mouth that spoke the Torah to Moses.
Jesus Christ is The Truth
the Torah is God's truth, it a person does not know the torah they do not know Christ.

Christ does not call a person to Him self and no one can chose to follow Christ.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

It is the Father that chose who will become a follower of Christ, not the person.

If any choose to follow Christ of their own accord, then salvation is not a free gift, that person gained salvation by their own efforts

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

After 3 1/2 years there were only 120 at Pentecost.

 

[memberofthebride]

You're still focused on your agenda instead of on the words of Scripture.

Nowhere does Scripture say that "Christ stated all flesh will live by every word". You're taking a bits of Scripture from different places, conflating them, and claiming those amalgamations are Scripture. That's not proper hermeneutical methodoloy.

Until you can demonstrate that the phrase “by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" is associated in Scripture with the New Covenant, you have no case.

You can't, because it isn't.

Sir, who is it that came to ratify the New Covenant in His Blood?
With out the work and the death of Jesus Christ --- there is no Covenant.
Jesus is Truth every thing coming from His mouth is Truth, if not then there can be no truth.
Christ lived a perfect sinless life according to Torah law as our example to follow --- Christ lived by every Word and so must those that seek eternal life.

God will have no fellowship, no Father/ son relationship with the lawless

 

[NightTwister]

The New Covenant is between the Father and the Son. They fulfill all of the requirements which is why it cannot fail.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This OP has “agenda” written all over it.



Nowhere in Scripture is this phrase directly associated with the New Covenant.

You can smell it at this point, you get so use to it.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

A covenant is not one sided, both parties will have duties, obligations they must fulfill.

Actually the Abrahamic Covenant was...

 

[memberofthebride]

Actually the Abrahamic Covenant was...

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

God's Covenant with Abraham was predicated upon Abraham's obedience. and the word "Law" is Torah

 

[Dino246]

Jesus Christ is THE WORD of God, it was His mouth that spoke the Torah to Moses.
Jesus Christ is The Truth
the Torah is God's truth, it a person does not know the torah they do not know Christ.

Christ does not call a person to Him self and no one can chose to follow Christ.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

It is the Father that chose who will become a follower of Christ, not the person.

If any choose to follow Christ of their own accord, then salvation is not a free gift, that person gained salvation by their own efforts

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

After 3 1/2 years there were only 120 at Pentecost.

Aaaaaand… the point of all this is what, exactly?

 

[Dino246]

Sir, who is it that came to ratify the New Covenant in His Blood?
With out the work and the death of Jesus Christ --- there is no Covenant.
Jesus is Truth every thing coming from His mouth is Truth, if not then there can be no truth.
Christ lived a perfect sinless life according to Torah law as our example to follow --- Christ lived by every Word and so must those that seek eternal life.

God will have no fellowship, no Father/ son relationship with the lawless

Miss the point much?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

1 Corinthians 11

25 After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup “is” the new “testament” in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.

A Testament (diathéké: Covenant, Testament) is a contract, a covenant, an agreement between two parties. The two parties to the New Covenant are God and each individual agreeing to perform, TO DO, to live by the terms and conditions i.e. “by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. “

Jesus Christ was clear, “”every Word”” The Tora, the Old T and the New T came from the mouth of God.

Within a covenant or contract there are agreed upon terms and conditions which each party has agreed to perform. A covenant is not one sided, both parties will have duties, obligations they must fulfill.

The New Covenant establishes a “Relationship” for those agreeing to the requirements and terms in the New Covenant. By The New Covenant, God the Father brings those He alone calls, into A Father/Son intimate relationship.

Each Party to a Covenant must perform the terms and conditions set forth in the covenant. A Covenant is not one sided, both parties have duties and conditions they have agreed to perform.

Under the terms of the New Covenant, God has agreed to give eternal life to all those willing to obey, to live according to God’s ONE ‘narrow’ WAY defined by His Law.

The entirety of the WORD, both Old and New, states no one will be given eternal life that has not come out of sin, repented of sin.
What defines sin and who has the right to define, codify sin?

Yes, humans must be converted, must have their sinful human nature replaced by the Divine Nature of God to gain Eternal Life!

2 Peter 1

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Contrary to accepted doctrine (grace), the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ, requires Christian’s to obey Every Word of God and be transformed, converted by God The Father’s Spirit working in them into living God’s ONE sinless perfect Way.

Our Father and His Son will not enter a family relationship with sinners. Rev 21: 8

You can ignore the words of our Maker at your own peril. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

“The Bible” came directly from the mouth of God, the whole Bible.

Jesus Christ stated clearly --- “by every Word” --- not just those you agree with.

“Jesus Christ stated clearly --- “by every Word” --- not just those you agree with. “
so then ?
“But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭22:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is Gods word to his people and if a girl is found to have had pre marital sex and we must obey it even though we don’t agree ?

Or is that word an exception ?

 

[memberofthebride]

“Jesus Christ stated clearly --- “by every Word” --- not just those you agree with. “
so then ?
“But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭22:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is Gods word to his people and if a girl is found to have had pre marital sex and we must obey it even though we don’t agree ?

Or is that word an exception ?

It appears you disagree with the 10 Commandments.

during the 1000 year rule by Jesus Christ every person that refuses to obey will be cast in to the Lake of Fire, dead for eternity.

Luke 19
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

God hate sin 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Every person that refuses, willingly and knowingly, to obey God's ONE perfect Way will be put to death.

I am sick of living in Satan's world filled with sinners. God has a plan for sinners.