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Mitspa
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I'm not from Russia...
Yes, I know how your judicial system works... especially when it comes to capital punishment.
Sorry Germany ..have you studied our system?
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Sorry Germany ..have you studied our system?
You insist on comparing convicted murderers to innocent babies in the womb. You're comparing apples to oranges. One is innocent, one is not. There are consequences to one's actions. An innocent baby has done nothing wrong while the convicted murderer has committed a heinous crime. It's a ridiculous argument.
And yes, I would LOVE to see our government stop funding abortions which is why I strongly support candidates with this position.
Again, I ask, what about the innocent victims and their friends and family? How is restitution made to them? At least with an execution, the survivors of this tragedy could experience some closure.
Wrong. On the contrary, a murderer facing the death penalty may very well be forced to face the idea of eternal damnation and therefore get on his/her knees before God and repent and ask forgiveness. Please read what I wrote before -- salvation does not mean consequences go away. Also, each and everyone one of us could be dead in a matter of moments -- does that make us irredeemable?
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Mitspa
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I'm not from Russia...
Yes, I know how your judicial system works... especially when it comes to capital punishment.
Did you approve of the capital punishment against some of the Nazis?
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KimPetras
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That's part of your input that I do appreciate. I don't care much for you assuming to know my heart or that I stand with Al (hands up) Sharpton.
It was brought to my attention that Christ stopped several capital punishments from occurring in the new testament. That was more clear to me than the Romans passage supposedly explicitly supporting capital punishment. Though, I will say I understand the logic behind implying that's what the Roman scripture says.
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Mitspa
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lol ok that was a cheap shot.... please forgive me?
Yes Christ stopped a women caught in adultery ..about to be stoned according to the law of God...He did not stop the legal process against killers and thieves
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KimPetras
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If I thought capital punishment would bring back the Jewish and non-Jewish people murdered at the hands of the Nazis, maybe. It's a moot point in that we know it wouldn't.
I'm not justifying murdering, but some people obeyed abominable orders given to them. For example, the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan by the US during the 2nd World War. The pilot was following orders to destroy the inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, most of which were innocent civilians. Their crime was living in the wrong country at the wrong time.
Do I think they should be punished, the Nazis and all the people responsible for killing innocent Japanese civilians, absolutely! Executed? No.
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Mitspa
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Please explain your understanding of why the Americans chose to use the atomic bombs.
I disagree. Moses escaped punishment because he ran away. God didn't force him to "face the law." David escaped punishment due to his repentance. God didn't force him to "face the law." Paul was spared punishment for killing Christians because of his conversion. God didn't force him to "face the law."
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KimPetras
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The same site? That was the only time I used that cite.
“It’s 10 times more expensive to kill them than to keep them alive,”says Donald McCartin, known as The Hanging Judge of Orange County.
source: Forbes Welcome
If you want more sources, here you go: Let me google that for you
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KimPetras
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KimPetras
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You're forgiven even if you didn't apologize, but it makes me feel better that you are sincerely sorry.
No harm.No one is asking for the legal process to stop either. We can still punish people without executing them. If you recall, it was a capital offense to do what she did. Even if you disagree, can't you at the very least understand the logic behind it? I see the logic behind the implicit meaning you give the Romans scripture, I just don't agree with your interpretation.
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Mitspa
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Of course those are Old Testament examples of godly men who had a purpose in the Lord... and God worked on their behalf ..as He will for anyone that trust in Him.... But the fact is that the New Testament clearly upholds capital punishment as being ordained of God... Now any killer can find help in the Lord, if they turn to Him..and I think they are many examples of that..even in our modern times. But God does not overturn the legal process He established to punish evildoers within the justice system of men.
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Mitspa
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You're forgiven even if you didn't apologize, but it makes me feel better that you are sincerely sorry.
No one is asking for the legal process to stop either. We can still punish people without executing them. If you recall, it was a capital offense to do what she did. Even if you disagree, can't you at the very least understand the logic behind it? I see the logic behind the implicit meaning you give the Romans scripture, I just don't agree with your interpretation.
Yea you can...and I would say that im in general agreement with that idea..but its clearly upheld by God and the people of each state here in the USA ..have to decide those issues.
As far as my interpretation? Its clear as day...
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KimPetras
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It's a ridiculous argument if you know every person sentenced to death was 100% guilty of that crime. The truth is, past, present, and future, there is no guarantee.
I'm comparing the unborn life with an already born life. I side with caution. I'd rather not kill the unborn and the born, if there is a possibility they are innocent. That is my argument. You can play a semantics game all you want, but I'd rather not.
Furthermore, it shouldn't come at the expense of all tax payers. What if someone is against capital punishment because they know it's fallible and it could result in an innocent person being executed? It's wrong just as it would be wrong to use tax payer money from people who are against abortion to fund institutions that administer them.
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Mitspa
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Yea I quoted Paul from Romans ..where he clearly upholds the use of capital punishment as being ordained by God.
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KimPetras
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Deuteronomy 17:6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.
Since many still pick and choose which old testament/covenant principles to follow, I'm curious if they throw that passage out the window. The majority of capital punishment cases, at the very least the contested ones, don't even have one witness, let alone two or three.
Since many still pick and choose which old testament/covenant principles to follow, I'm curious if they throw that passage out the window. The majority of capital punishment cases, at the very least the contested ones, don't even have one witness, let alone two or three.
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KimPetras
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When Jesus said “he who is without sin may cast the first stone” he was teaching that while death may seem just, and even at times be just, there isn’t anyone alive who is worthy to tie the noose around their neck. Therefore, even if siding with the rationale that death is a just punishment in some cases, we arrive at the difficult truth that according to Jesus, neither you or I are perfect enough to serve in the role of executioner.