As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

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Magenta

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The sinless body in which Jesus lived literally came from God and placed in Mary.
So Matthew 1:20 and Luke 1:31 are incorrect?

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph,
thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.


Also Isaiah 7:14 ~ Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold,
the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.
 

cv5

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ALL flesh. Including animal flesh:

Genesis 6:12 King James Version (KJV)
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

https://www.futurity.org/gene-edite...m_campaign=gene-edited-pigs-sausage-2915942-2

Can’t be long now.
I have not gotten around to listening to this (its on my playlist), but I am SURE that it will not disappoint!

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/21611322382/

In fact none of these disappoint. Post-PhD lectures of the rarest sort......:unsure:

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Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.
Can you entertain one other interpretation of Genesis 6? The ones who mated with the women are the descendants of Cain, who began the sinfully corrupt line from Adam (previous context). The ones who married Cain's line were descended from Seth, the head of the people of faith whose lives were corrupted from such intermarriage. What do you think? I think it takes into better account of the immediate, previous geneologies.
 

cv5

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Can you entertain one other interpretation of Genesis 6? The ones who mated with the women are the descendants of Cain, who began the sinfully corrupt line from Adam (previous context). The ones who married Cain's line were descended from Seth, the head of the people of faith whose lives were corrupted from such intermarriage. What do you think? I think it takes into better account of the immediate, previous geneologies.
Not the fact of the matter bro. Not by a longshot.

https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5030139

https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5030142

https://christianchat.com/threads/what-about-gen-6.208962/post-5024447
Evidently the Jude 1:6 angels took a downgrade (to satisfy their ungodly lust), while we Christians are gifted with an upgrade.
G3613 - oikētērion - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. a dwelling place, habitation
    1. of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit
Jde 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, G3613 he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house G3613 which is from heaven:
 

John146

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So Matthew 1:20 and Luke 1:31 are incorrect?

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph,
thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.


And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

Also Isaiah 7:14 ~ Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold,
the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.
The seed was from God. Jesus was begotten by God the Father. He had to be born of sinless blood, not corrupted by man. These verses only state that Mary was the vessel to bring forth Christ.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
 

John146

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Can you entertain one other interpretation of Genesis 6? The ones who mated with the women are the descendants of Cain, who began the sinfully corrupt line from Adam (previous context). The ones who married Cain's line were descended from Seth, the head of the people of faith whose lives were corrupted from such intermarriage. What do you think? I think it takes into better account of the immediate, previous geneologies.
And their offspring were giants in the earth?
 
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The seed was from God.
That's right. God is the Father of Jesus Christ.

Jesus was begotten by God the Father. He had to be born of sinless blood, not corrupted by man. These verses only state that Mary was the vessel to bring forth Christ.
Mary was Jesus' literal, actual mother. It is through Mary that Jesus Christ was a blood descendant of David.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Yes. The question is how was Jesus' body "prepared."
 

Magenta

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The seed was from God. Jesus was begotten by God the Father. He had to be born of sinless blood,
not corrupted by man. These verses only state that Mary was the vessel to bring forth Christ.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice
and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
The verses specifically state that Mary conceives. No verse says Jesus was implanted into Mary's womb.
 

cv5

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Can you entertain one other interpretation of Genesis 6? The ones who mated with the women are the descendants of Cain, who began the sinfully corrupt line from Adam (previous context). The ones who married Cain's line were descended from Seth, the head of the people of faith whose lives were corrupted from such intermarriage. What do you think? I think it takes into better account of the immediate, previous geneologies.
This lecture will certainly answer your immediate questions. And more than that, answer questions that you have not (nor will likely ever) begun to so much as ask.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/21611322382/

I am auditioning this lecture as of today. And believe me.....it is EPIC in scope and devastating in terms of impact.
 

Nehemiah6

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Mary was corrupt. Jesus was not.
Where did you get this idea "Mary was corrupt"? Would God have chosen Mary to be the mother of Jesus if she was corrupt? One could say that Mary was human, and did have the sin nature. But she was also righteous, as was Joseph.
 

John146

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Where did you get this idea "Mary was corrupt"? Would God have chosen Mary to be the mother of Jesus if she was corrupt? One could say that Mary was human, and did have the sin nature. But she was also righteous, as was Joseph.
She was a sinner. All sinners have corrupted themselves. That’s why we need a change. All of Adam’s bloodline is corrupt.

1 Corinthians 15
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 

John146

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Where did you get this idea "Mary was corrupt"? Would God have chosen Mary to be the mother of Jesus if she was corrupt? One could say that Mary was human, and did have the sin nature. But she was also righteous, as was Joseph.
Do you hold the RCC view?
 

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We are seeing the results EVERYWHERE of evil men corrupting God's creation. Human, plant and animal life is now fully corrupted. It is indeed as in the days of Noah.

florida, texas, california...largest States with Hispanic Populations. Gates has always been a Racist. This seems to point closer to that direction. next should be Arizona and New Mexico, maybe Oregon and then Washington.
 

montana123

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We are seeing the results EVERYWHERE of evil men corrupting God's creation. Human, plant and animal life is now fully corrupted. It is indeed as in the days of Noah.
God warns the saints of the new age movement which they follow Lucifer and will cause the world to rebel against God(1 Timothy 4:1-5; 2 Timothy 4:2-4), which is a religion that exalts people, and there is no God.

They believe mind creates reality more real than the world of sense.

God is allowing it to happen so He can end sin on Earth.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

The people were only going by their own imaginations doing what they wanted to do, and did not care about God and His ways, and were only hurting and killing each other for that is what happens when you take God out of the picture.

This was on a world wide scale of the then known world however much area that covered.

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Again on a world wide scale for how much area that covered.

They were going by the imaginations not caring about the ways of God but it was all about people and that is why they said let us make us a name.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement that came out at the latter times, which some people shall depart from the faith giving heed to their interpretation of the Bible based on the occult and evolution, and their beliefs are of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils which they follow Lucifer, and their conscious is seared with a hot iron which by peace the antichrist shall destroy many, and they will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction which they do not believe they have to keep the human race going on by birth for they will evolve to be spiritual and live forever, and they will stop the eating of meat.

The time will come people will only want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement which is fables, make believe, not real.

The nations are going to come together and adapt the new age movement religion, and reality, and cut out a God, and not care about His ways, and only go by their imaginations and it will be on a world wide scale.

So God has to intervene again but this time He will end sin on Earth.

It will be like the days of Noah with the behavior they had but it will be worse.
 

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In scripture, a son of God is a being that was created by God and was sinless in it's creation. Adam was a son of God (Luke 3:38). All the angels are sons of God as stated in Job. Fallen man can become a son of God only through the new birth. Man has to be made a new creature in Christ. And only then can man claim to be a son of God. However, Jesus was the only begotten Son of God. The sinless body in which Jesus lived literally came from God and placed in Mary.
The sinless body of Jesus was not placed in Mary but was conceived in Mary having Mary as the mother of that flesh.

The Bible states that Jesus was made of a woman, made under the law.
 

cv5

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God is allowing it to happen so He can end sin on Earth.

This was on a world wide scale of the then known world however much area that covered.

So God has to intervene again but this time He will end sin on Earth.
Gen 15:16
But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Agree.....we are almost there. God is allowing sinful rebellion to happen until His cup of wrath overflows and judgement is rendered. This judgement is a manifestation of the goodness of God.

Perhaps a decade or two but the rapture of the Saints to remove them from the time of God's wrath upon the earth is certainly close.

Such has happened at least 4 times in the historical record. The Flood, Babel, Sodom, and the conquest of Canaan by Yehoshua. With many other lesser judgements thru the ages.