Baptism of the Holy Spirit

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I'm not a fan of Alpha myself...depends on who is teaching the course I guess

The study I linked to in Post #9 is not part of the well established Alpha course, it is simply called an "Alpha Course Study..." because it deals with the Baptism in the Holy Spirit in a very basic form...
 
by the way, I don't know zone....at all other than through her recent posts

as she has consistently attacked me and called me demonic, simply because I am not a cessationist, I don't have a good impression of her

have I caller her demonic? nope...I tried to reason with her...she just kept up the personal attack

I don't care what she thinks...but I am not the one doing the personal attacking



Preterism is fringe Christianity at best...and a person has to stretch the scriptures beyond belief in order to believe in it
 
The study I linked to in Post #9 is not part of the well established Alpha course, it is simply called an "Alpha Course Study..." because it deals with the Baptism in the Holy Spirit in a very basic form...


I understand

thanks
 
well perhaps you can meet and have tea or something together

are you her lawyer? why do feel you have the need to tell me this? you think I don't know?

she isn't discussing...she is mocking and degrading...the other day we were all demonic according to her

you are doing EXACTLY what you say I should not do

Roger does not believe either and I expect to see him on every thread about it....but he reflects his beliefs with scripture

very big difference
this is exactly why I rarely even enter these discussions. One cannot say what they want to say without attacks from the other side. It's rather discouraging.
I don't personally find others demonic for not agreeing, but I do feel it's important to study both sides to see why one may or may not follow scripture. Unfortunately, interpretation is always different. I'm sorry I upset you. I just wish everyone could discuss certain topics kindly. Without insults. Not saying you do this. But people in general.
 
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speaking as a true preterist

folks...maybe you should check up on preterism before taking zone's posts too seriously

she thinks there is basically nothing left to fulfill

understand, that preterists do NOT believe as most of us here do

so, let's just be honest about that

preterist away...we have nothing to discuss and mockery seems to be more your thing than mine

I was wondering what the bee in your bonnet was...why so angry and mocking...

well, relief is at hand...my last post to you..and yes yes...you are glad etc etc etc...whatevah

carry on

partial preterist and cessationist.
guilty.

why don't you stop whining?
 
this is exactly why I rarely even enter these discussions. One cannot say what they want to say without attacks from the other side. It's rather discouraging.
I don't personally find others demonic for not agreeing, but I do feel it's important to study both sides to see why one may or may not follow scripture. Unfortunately, interpretation is always different. I'm sorry I upset you. I just wish everyone could discuss certain topics kindly. Without insults. Not saying you do this. But people in general.




I'm not upset

discussion is one thing...attacking and calling names is not acceptable

actually though, the topic of tongues has been discussed to utter exhaustion on this site...pages and pages and pages of it

thanks...appreciate your understanding...I really do try to discuss, but when people come mocking and name calling, I question their intent

no need for that
 
this is exactly why I rarely even enter these discussions. One cannot say what they want to say without attacks from the other side. It's rather discouraging.
I don't personally find others demonic for not agreeing, but I do feel it's important to study both sides to see why one may or may not follow scripture. Unfortunately, interpretation is always different. I'm sorry I upset you. I just wish everyone could discuss certain topics kindly. Without insults. Not saying you do this. But people in general.

i didnt say anyone was "demonic for not agreeing".
I said jabbering in nonsense and calling it prayer, or uttering false prophecies and the like is demonic and it is.
 
i didnt say anyone was "demonic for not agreeing".
I said jabbering in nonsense and calling it prayer, or uttering false prophecies and the like is demonic and it is.

its not demonic zone, the Spirit is sending the Father a fax, when we open our mouth its like picking up the phone lol
 
Why are some churches (personal experience) teaching people, to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (gift of divers tongues) is simply repeating certain word phases quickly to receive their Baptism.........this is not of faith and I personally believe dangerous to the person seeking the Baptism. Where is the faith? : Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: Its mind boggling.
Thats the reason I left the Pentecostal church,they believe a person didn't get saved unless they spoke In tongues.
 
Thats the reason I left the Pentecostal church,they believe a person didn't get saved unless they spoke In tongues.

Do a lot of Pentecostal churches believe that? I have been in a few of them and never heard this taught but than again I was in Canada.

I have seen from Holiness Pentecostal churches with their hair in a bun and they looked like they were baptized in lemon juice - sour looking...lol But I knew nothing of their doctrines.
 
Do a lot of Pentecostal churches believe that? I have been in a few of them and never heard this taught but than again I was in Canada.

I have seen from Holiness Pentecostal churches with their hair in a bun and they looked like they were baptized in lemon juice - sour looking...lol But I knew nothing of their doctrines.

the Pentecostal church has grown up recently, the bible college i got to is Pentecostal and they actually have a class on the false beliefs from some Pentecostal churches.
 
it's already 'sorted-out' on Jesus' end, may we allow Him to lead us to
sorting it out on ours with Love and Patience and kindness...
 
the Pentecostal church has grown up recently, the bible college i got to is Pentecostal and they actually have a class on the false beliefs from some Pentecostal churches.

OK....thanks for the info. Personally I speak in tongues a lot but most of the people I have seen were baby Christians and were not developed in their speaking.

I love to have my spirit speak mysteries to my Father and Lord. You can be beside me in a church service and never hear me speaking to my Lord in tongues. I even speak in tongues quietly when I play sports - it calms me down..lol

When I hear people say that tongues is not for today - I just shrug it off and consider that statement as viable as when an atheist says to me that Jesus is not real - I say - too late! I know Him already.....I just leave these types in the Lord's hands....:)
 

OK....thanks for the info. Personally I speak in tongues a lot but most of the people I have seen were baby Christians and were not developed in their speaking.

I love to have my spirit speak mysteries to my Father and Lord. You can be beside me in a church service and never hear me speaking to my Lord in tongues. I even speak in tongues quietly when I play sports - it calms me down..lol

When I hear people say that tongues is not for today - I just shrug it off and consider that statement as viable as when an atheist says to me that Jesus is not real - I say - too late! I know Him already.....I just leave these types in the Lord's hands....:)

amen brother, it was given as a means to build our most holy faith. toungs is a personal word between the man speaking it and God!
 
Do a lot of Pentecostal churches believe that? I have been in a few of them and never heard this taught but than again I was in Canada.

I have seen from Holiness Pentecostal churches with their hair in a bun and they looked like they were baptized in lemon juice - sour looking...lol But I knew nothing of their doctrines.
I don't really know If they all believe this way but the two that I went to believed that a person that doesn't speak In tongues didn't get saved.

BTW,I do believe In speaking In tongues but I don't believe It Is required before the person Is saved.:)

John 3:16
King James version(KJV)

16.)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
I don't really know If they all believe this way but the two that I went to believed that a person that doesn't speak In tongues didn't get saved.

BTW,I do believe In speaking In tongues but I don't believe It Is required before the person Is saved.:)

John 3:16
King James version(KJV)

16.)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

My goodness the bizarre things that religion tries to do to get us in division and strife with each other. It's foolishness.

Eph 1:13 works great for me!

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvationhaving also believed,
you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,