Britain Is Doomed!

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Amazing-Grace

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A sad state of affairs to be sure. God help all of us.
 

maxwel

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Hopefully there are numerous defenses for this.

But the last line of defense would simply be to say that if the court holds religious truth to be "relative", or at least "uncertain", then it's equally valid to teach "this truth" as anything else.

Hopefully there are actual legal protections of some kind they can invoke, but if nothing else, there are logical defenses which they'd have a hard time defeating.

I guess it all depends on the specific charge.
 

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Seriously when a court of law does not recognise or even consider truth we are in deep trouble - deep DEEP trouble:
UK Prosecutor During Trial That Found Preachers Guilty: ‘Jesus Is Only Way to God Cannot Be Truth’ | Christian News Network

Unfortunately atheism is Britain's overwhelming "religion" of choice today and Islam is probably second. Apparently anything goes and it's all about pleasing oneself. God help us!!!???
****America is heading in the same direction unless Christian rise up and take the country back----Great Britain can be reclaimed too...
 
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Amazing-Grace

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Praying for a revival, I mean - how much lower can you go before it hits you there is a need for redemption, it happens on a personal level so logically speaking it should apply over the bigger picture.
 

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Seriously when a court of law does not recognise or even consider truth we are in deep trouble - deep DEEP trouble:
UK Prosecutor During Trial That Found Preachers Guilty: ‘Jesus Is Only Way to God Cannot Be Truth’ | Christian News Network

Unfortunately atheism is Britain's overwhelming "religion" of choice today and Islam is probably second. Apparently anything goes and it's all about pleasing oneself. God help us!!!???
This is why I am happy to live in the USA where we do not have codified limitations to our freedom of speech. Once you pass laws that limit free speech it's just a matter of time before those laws are used to limit public religious speech.
 

maxwel

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This is why I am happy to live in the USA where we do not have codified limitations to our freedom of speech. Once you pass laws that limit free speech it's just a matter of time before those laws are used to limit public religious speech.
Well, ya know, we're well on our way.
 

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Not having been there at the time I am not exactly sure why these people were singled out. All I do know is that in the part of london where I live people ar seen preaching on the street quite often and are not stopped or prosecuted for it. Why Bristol would be any different beats me.
 

maxwel

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Not having been there at the time I am not exactly sure why these people were singled out. All I do know is that in the part of london where I live people ar seen preaching on the street quite often and are not stopped or prosecuted for it. Why Bristol would be any different beats me.
I think it all depends on what you say.

If you preach from verses that talk about sexual immorality, it seems you go to jail for hate speech.

[video=youtube;KMmq84eBM8k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMmq84eBM8k[/video]
 

maxwel

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[video=youtube;zYflFH2XBy0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYflFH2XBy0[/video]
 
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It seems the cases against both men was thrown out when they reached court.

Something to bear in mind there is preaching which seeks to spread the gospel
and there is preaching which deliberately goes out of its way to antagonise.

I've seen both styles, if someone of any religion sets out to antagonise and the crowds
get angry, then they will get arrested for their own protection if nothing else.

I wasn't there but from my experiences of open air preaching, people are very tolerant
of it in the UK. There is open air preaching in my city most weeks with no issues. Sin
is mentioned and so is Gods love. I've never seen any issues.


But if the preacher is going to stand there and start to pick out a section of the population,
Muslims for example, then of course the Muslims are going to get angry.

I dont understand why open air preachers who presumably are wanting to reach everyone,
would talk about gays and Muslims. That isnt the gospel. The gospel is that all have sinned
and fallen short of the glory of God and that Jesus died for all sin.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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I used to know a guy who took to the streets to preach - a young guy, very good he was too. People get angry because they feel convicted which is the point isn't it? Isn't it this this feeling of conviction which brings you to your knees? Anyway, this guy was sweet and I never heard him say anything antagonistic but he got sick of the police moving him on and people reporting him to the police after getting into personal conversations with him and THEM winding HIM up. Guess what? He no longer does it. What a shame!
 
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The fact is, anyone (or anything such as news) with promoted self-confidence, often finds it easier to judge, to correct, to self-right, to condemn, to marginalize, to exaggerate, to bias, to bait, to antagonise, (and the list goes on);

THAN

To love.

And that counts for many people, whether religious or not. The corrupted mind, has often eroded its connection with love. And remember God is Love. All love branches from God, through the human example of God which is Jesus.

Without such importance to love, what is someone capable of doing or becoming? Even if they know 'logically' what is right and live in constant resistance to sin, doesn't love bring us to somewhere where we are not in constant resistance because the problem which is 'our self' or 'our self-importance' or 'our flesh' is less apparent?

Those who rise above their low esteem, or come out of their silence, always have the opportunity to use that self-alignment (which should only be unto the Holy Spirit), to better promote God through being Christlike (the way, the truth, and the life) in how they do it. And no I do not necessarily mean by telling people to read the bible, or quoting scriptures at everyone, advocating God rather than offering a helping hand and a kind heart.

I see more God in a loving, kind, humble, and supportive human being, who may or may not be religiously affiliated, than Pharisees who will always say indirectly through their promoted self-confidence that only they teach you and no-one teaches them (and if you dare try). Beware false teachers. We all remember how much we didn't love teachers like that at school. But when you were a child, do you remember the teachers that you loved? You will remember what makes a good teacher. Loving, kind, humble, and supportive. More Christ-like.

Live the Word, don't just quote it. Practise what you preach. And I admit I have a lot to learn myself in such things, but I try always to be humble.

[h=3]A little personal advice[/h][SUP]12-16 [/SUP]Don’t let people look down on you because you are young (child-like?); see that they look up to you because you are an example to them in your speech and behaviour, in your love and faith and sincerity.

Concentrate until my arrival on your reading and on your preaching and teaching. Never forget that you received the gift of proclaiming God’s Word when the assembled elders laid their hands on you. Give your whole attention, all your energies, to these things, so that your progress is plain for all to see.

Keep a critical eye both upon your own life and on the teaching you give, and if you continue to follow the line I have indicated you will not only save your own soul but the souls of many of your hearers as well.


:)
 

maxwel

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It seems the cases against both men was thrown out when they reached court.

Something to bear in mind there is preaching which seeks to spread the gospel
and there is preaching which deliberately goes out of its way to antagonise.

I've seen both styles, if someone of any religion sets out to antagonise and the crowds
get angry, then they will get arrested for their own protection if nothing else.

I wasn't there but from my experiences of open air preaching, people are very tolerant
of it in the UK. There is open air preaching in my city most weeks with no issues. Sin
is mentioned and so is Gods love. I've never seen any issues.


But if the preacher is going to stand there and start to pick out a section of the population,
Muslims for example, then of course the Muslims are going to get angry.

I dont understand why open air preachers who presumably are wanting to reach everyone,
would talk about gays and Muslims.
That isnt the gospel. The gospel is that all have sinned
and fallen short of the glory of God and that Jesus died for all sin.

I don't understand why there should be laws against speaking the truth in public.

It shouldn't matter if truth is offensive.
If you can't speak the truth in public, regardless of it's offensiveness, your freedom and safety are already eroded... and your society is in great danger.

And by the way, the LEFT is always allowed to speak offensive things in public.
They don't get arrested for saying offensive things.
 

maxwel

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In the responses to these videos, we have a conflation of two separate issues.


We have 2 separate issues in discussing these videos:

1. Should a free and modern society have freedom of speech... is, or is not, free speech the best thing for a free society.

2. What is the best way to preach the gospel.



These are two completely separate issues.


Please pick which one you are arguing, and don't conflate the two.




 

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I don't understand why there should be laws against speaking the truth in public.

It shouldn't matter if truth is offensive.
If you can't speak the truth in public, regardless of it's offensiveness, your freedom and safety are already eroded... and your society is in great danger.

And by the way, the LEFT is always allowed to speak offensive things in public.
They don't get arrested for saying offensive things.

They can wear vaginas on their heads (even a sitting Judge wore a vagina hat in her courtroom) and the media makes them out to be some kind of hero.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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Freedom of speech like "isms" is one-sided and only ever works one way. The agenda has been set and we have to adhere to it. In Britain today there is no longer free speech, there are certain things not being allowed to be said - for instance anything anti homosexual especially opinions on same-sex "marriage". The mainstream media are part of the problem with the BBC leading the way. Normalising all things homosexual is the main agenda here - it is everywhere, on TV most especially - on the soaps, game shows etc. Even the game show "Mr & Mrs" have Mr & Mr's lol. Homosexuality is more acceptable now than Christianity - fact!

It is the same with president Trump, The British media have it in for him so whatever he does he cannot win. I know I'm veering off topic a little but I'm just trying to portray how free speech is being eradicated in such a gradual way that many people aren't noticing.
 

maxwel

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Freedom of speech like "isms" is one-sided and only ever works one way. The agenda has been set and we have to adhere to it. In Britain today there is no longer free speech, there are certain things not being allowed to be said - for instance anything anti homosexual especially opinions on same-sex "marriage". The mainstream media are part of the problem with the BBC leading the way. Normalising all things homosexual is the main agenda here - it is everywhere, on TV most especially - on the soaps, game shows etc. Even the game show "Mr & Mrs" have Mr & Mr's lol. Homosexuality is more acceptable now than Christianity - fact!

It is the same with president Trump, The British media have it in for him so whatever he does he cannot win. I know I'm veering off topic a little but I'm just trying to portray how free speech is being eradicated in such a gradual way that many people aren't noticing.
I agree with you completely, and it's happening everywhere.

I would only clarify one point you made, and maybe what you said wasn't exactly what you meant.
But freedom of speech, as a concept, is not inherently one-sided.
There is no logical reason for it to be one-sided.
But, as we all know, there is a "human nature" reason for it to always come out one-sided.
As long as men are sinners, people will always try to slant things in favor OF themselves, and AGAINST their opposition.

Although we have no choice but to accept the reality of speech laws,
we should do everything possible to change those laws,
and to regain as much liberty of speech as possible.


Losing freedom of speech is the single greatest threat to the gospel, and to all of western civilization as we know it.

When freedom to speak crumbles... everything else will crumble with it.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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I agree with you completely, and it's happening everywhere.

I would only clarify one point you made, and maybe what you said wasn't exactly what you meant.
But freedom of speech, as a concept, is not inherently one-sided.

There is no logical reason for it to be one-sided.
But, as we all know, there is a "human nature" reason for it to always come out one-sided.
As long as men are sinners, people will always try to slant things in favor OF themselves, and AGAINST their opposition.

Although we have no choice but to accept the reality of speech laws,
we should do everything possible to change those laws,
and to regain as much liberty of speech as possible.


Losing freedom of speech is the single greatest threat to the gospel, and to all of western civilization as we know it.

When freedom to speak crumbles... everything else will crumble with it.
I guess what I meant by that is that it seems to be a (inter?)national sport to bash all things Christian - no restrictions on speaking hatred there but dare to speak out against homosexuality, abortion etc and you are quickly set upon by the masses...so what happens? We keep silent on important issues and issues that are important to God. It isn't just the powers that be restricting free speech but we are choosing this pathway ourselves out of fear.
 
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Well, ya know, we're well on our way.
IMO, Trump is a test for us. He speaks his mind rather bluntly and is definitely freedom/liberty minded.

If our nation can impeach(because for the next 8;) years they are going to try day and night) or get rid of Trump on some "technicality" there is no looking back IMO.