Building upon a lie

[Grace777x70]

So in light of this misrepresentation of scripture here--->>>

How do you justify and support that lie with this Truth shown in God's words here--->>>>

Hebrews 10:26-31

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

The only willful sin is the rejection of Christ as the sacrifice for taking sins away. I have a question for you : Why do every one of your posts and OP's have to do with condemnation? Why don't you ever talk about the grace and love of our Lord Jesus Christ?

The whole context of Hebrews is a warning of the vainness of turning back to the Levitical system in light of BETTER things.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews. Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of the book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins. Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

Here is a shot video which will illuminate this clearly.

[video=youtube;yrc5EOpokSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc5EOpokSc[/video]

 

[disciplemike]

SPIN ON SIN.
777

 

[heavenly_bound]

Nope they must be understood in context. You must determine if God is speaking to believers or unbelievers to determine the basic context.

Speaking blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can only be done by unbelievers not believers.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

in addition , non can say Jesus is Lord if not by the Spirit!!

 

[Grace777x70]

For those that are interested in looking at Hebrews 10 in a longer fashion. Here is a 22 minute video that explains it out. We have a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ and we have security in him. Saints - don't let the condemnation and malice of others affect you.

It is in "security" that we can have true "maturity" just like in any relationship

[video=youtube;IJ0i7NEYufo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ0i7NEYufo[/video]

 

[blessedjohn80]

There's no specific term in the scripture for the trinity. Is that also false doctrine?

 

[disciplemike]

Stop the spin on sin.
What is sin?
1john3.4

[video=youtube;1u71lKwh3_U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u71lKwh3_U[/video]

 

[heavenly_bound]

Are you familiar with this verse I quoted in the OP---->>>>Hebrews 10:26 “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remainder no more sacrifice for sins,

This the willful sin that is being disused in this passage is the refusal by the Christian Hebrews, that Christ is the lamb that was sacrificed once an for all for the sins of mankind.

The writer was saying this bc the Hebrews still regarded the Jewish sacrificial system as still valid. The writer was showing these Hebrew Christians the superiority of Christ's sacrifice over the annual animal sacrificial system. its it funny how those who claim to understand the scriptures twist the Truth themselves to mean what it is not!!!!

the author is saying "if we sin willfully"; meaning after hearing the truth they( the Hebrews) still go ahead to offer sacrifices, then there will be no more sacrifice to cleanse them from their unbelieve!!

 

[Adstar]

“All future sins are already forgiven no matter what one does.” This false doctrine belief is the cornerstone belief of Universalism, OSAS doctrine,

Universalism has nothing to do with the belief that our future sins are forgiven by the Atoning Blood of Jesus.. Universalism is the belief that all humans irrespective of their religious beliefs shall be forgiven their sins and be saved, Universalism is a deception and clearly against scriptures..

OSAS is the calvinist originated doctrine and oddly enough many calvinist churches lean towards the Works salvation doctrine.. OSAS again has nothing to do with the Belief that ones future sins are forgiven by the Atoning Blood of Jesus..

If a person believes that their future sins are not covered by the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ then Woe to them because the next sin they sin shall not have forgiveness because they have disbelieved that the Atonement of Jesus covers their future sins and have preached it to others in a public forum...

This false doctrine sets no condition on the person’s part to abide in the faith, which is to abide in the very words of God and doctrine of Jesus Christ.

Faith is trust,, Trusting in God.. It is not Works of sin avoidance.. You do not understand basic words.. Faith is not works The Bible clearly declares that time and time again..

no need for an obedient walk of faith, and also no need to stop sinning.

Let the one who claims to be without sin stand up and say they do not sin... Come on... , Who will cast the first stone???? You preach that you must stop sinning Woe to you when you commit your next sin..

So why would one think all the other parts and warnings in scripture do not apply to them? Because in the minds of its followers “all future sins are already forgiven” so why bother with the rest? This single false belief also rejects any notion that one can even fall away from the faith

No it doesn't people can cease believing Jesus and no longer trust in the atonement He secured for their salvation... Why are you trying to link all these other questionable doctrines up with the belief that our future sins are forgiven by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus ? Are you trying to wrap up every false doctrine just to make it look bad by association? Whats the next false doctrine you are going to try and chain to it? I guess Mormonism or Islam and pagan baby sacrifice also originate from the belief that ones future sins are forgiven by the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ?... How ridiculous..

“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Amen blasphemy of the Holy Spirit shall never be forgiven, I agree, but what does the very verse you are quoting say about the other sins... ""It shall be forgiven him""" meaning FUTURE TENSE... Shall Be forgiven...


A question to you...

How long have you been a Christian?
And
When was the last time you repented because you sinned?

 

[Grace777x70]

Unbelief in Christ and His work on our behalf is sin and yes - Christ is the fulfillment of the Law so to exhibit unbelief in Him is transgressing the law for those that are under the Law.

That's why the sin of blasphemy can not be forgiven because it is denying what the Holy Spirit is convincing/convicting/exposing us about Christ and His blood being shed for our forgiveness.

There is no other sacrifice for sins if we go on wilfully sinning by not accepting Christ's sacrifice.

If we receive the "knowledge" of the truth - which is Jesus - and we reject it. There remains no more sacrifice for sins which means the Jewish mindset that thinks they can do temple sacrifices and still be ok is wrong.

This same principle applies to the D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness mindsets.

Hebrews 10:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 

[Adstar]

Oh and the verse InSpiritInTruth is using like a hammer says:::

Hebrews 10:26-31

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

It says Sin WILLFULLY.. It does not say,, If we sin after we have received the knowledge of the truth.. NOPE.. It says ""if we sin WILLFULLY . Wilfull sin is sin done with an in your face attitude, willful sin is done with pride.. As in for example the Homosexual who sins the sin of sodomy and then takes part in a gay pride parade to boast about their sin with pride... But InSpiritInTruth wants to use this verse and interpret it's meaning as sin and take away the word willfully from the scriptures or make it out to be an idle wasted unnecessary word that does not need to be there and has no meaning in the verse..

Other Christians believe that there are no idle words in scripture and that every word is there for an important reason..

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Like I said, there is no such thing as "future sins". But ALL of your sins were in the future when Jesus shed His blood on the cross.

Again, I am looking for scriptural support of this--->>>

misrepresentation of scripture is this…… “All future sins are already forgiven no matter what one does.”

If you do not have scripture to support that part in red then it is just your own personal opinion, and not sound doctrine based on the whole Truth according to the words of God.

 

[blessedjohn80]

Again, I am looking for scriptural support of this--->>>

If you do not have scripture to support that part in red then it is just your own personal opinion, and not sound doctrine based on the whole Truth according to the words of God.

Adstar already gave you a scriptural response. You don't have to skip it if you want a true discussion, unless of course this is not a discussion but a declaration of your opinion.

 

[heavenly_bound]

Amen, to the words of God and I believe every one of them. But please show me the verse(s) that say this implied misrepresentation of God's words here--->>>>

what we must understand is this, all sins have been forgiven from the work of God manwards.
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace"".(Eph 1:7)
"I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of His name."1 Jn 2:12
“...Their sins and lawless acts, I will remember no more.”(Heb 10:17)
"in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."(Col 1:14). God no longer has any remembrance of sins towards us.

The sins we commit is against one another( man towards man). That is why the word of God instructs us to "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."(Eph 4:32)
"Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."(Col 3:13)

 

[Grace777x70]

Forgiveness is a done deal - either believe it or don't believe it.

On the subject of forgiveness that we have in Christ now because of His precious Blood...here is what the scriptures say.....sometimes the truth in the gospel of the grace of Christ "conflicts" with what we have been religiously taught.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

perfect = The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present time. It is continuously happening in the present.

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...

and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13[/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whomwe have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins


Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work.


Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

Walk in the knowledge of your forgiveness in Christ and in that security we will experience maturity.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Oh and the verse InSpiritInTruth is using like a hammer says:::



It says Sin WILLFULLY.. It does not say,, If we sin after we have received the knowledge of the truth.. NOPE.. It says ""if we sin WILLFULLY . Wilfull sin is sin done with an in your face attitude, willful sin is done with pride.. As in for example the Homosexual who sins the sin of sodomy and then takes part in a gay pride parade to boast about their sin with pride...

A one time believer in Jesus Christ who then turns from the faith, and then sins willfully is still a future sin from the cross, no? So thanks for proving the point of the OP. Stick to the words of God and not catchy misleading phrases of men that are not based on the whole of the Truth according to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Bladerunner]

Hello InSpiritInTruth:

Thank you for the inspiring Truths in your post..

There is only one truth and it cannot change even from one's perspective(s). That would be called 'relative truth or in this case relative sin' What is truth and sin for one is not for another. This is a LIE! There is only one truth and Jesus stated that many centuries ago.

John 14:6 (KJV) " Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

To be truthful, I sin everyday. At my age one would think I'd learn but I guess it is inherent. While I learned to catch myself from doing things I should not,(judging others, anger, etc), I look back everyday to see what I have missed. I then talk with Jesus and ask for his forgiveness, guidance and help in walking a little closer with him. Now, don't get me wrong, Mankind lives in sin everyday and it is almost impossible to walk the path of Jesus, but you can strive to get a little closer.

Willfully living in SIN like InSpiritInTruth stated will not get you anywhere except a fiery furnace forever. To change oneself, one must change not only their relative view of just what is Truth but also your world outlook. By that I mean, if you carry around the world view that morality is relative and what is moral to someone else is or is not moral to you then you also will meet a bad end. While the world (anyone) does not live under the Laws of Moses (Leviticus), we do live under the laws of God. These laws are the Ten Commandments that the Finger of God carved out of rock those so many years ago. Can you cite all ten of them or maybe just a few and the rest.... well maybe does not matter that much in your relative world.

To be a Christian means that we walk toward the TRUTH of these commandments and the Truth and Love that Jesus spoke of everyday while he was on this earth. While we cannot help but walk in inherent sin (outside of willful sin), we need to constantly challenge/check ourselves on a daily basis to see if we are still on the same path as we were the day before and ask forgiveness and guidance in order to get back on it. On this earth, it is very easy to stray off that path and in this world today, sin surrounds the Christian from all sides and is coming to you in a myriad of forms at light speed. To counter these all out assault(s) to your Truths and Morality, simply steer your path into HIS light for like a Lighthouse on the Sea HIS light will show you all the Danger(s) and Safety(s) out there at the same time.

 

[Adstar]

Again, I am looking for scriptural support of this--->>>

misrepresentation of scripture is this…… “All future sins are already forgiven no matter what one does.”

If you do not have scripture to support that part in red then it is just your own personal opinion, and not sound doctrine based on the whole Truth according to the words of God.

1 John 2:KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


If any man sin ,,, Future Tense...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

the author is saying "if we sin willfully"; meaning after hearing the truth they( the Hebrews) still go ahead to offer sacrifices, then there will be no more sacrifice to cleanse them from their unbelieve!!

Thanks for the example I mentioned in my Op, of how one rejects certain scriptures by saying it is not to "us Christians", but to those other "Hebrew" Christians. LOL Classic

 

[heavenly_bound]

Like I said, there is no such thing as "future sins". But ALL of your sins were in the future when Jesus shed His blood on the cross.

Well said. They better believe that all future sins have been forgiven other wise, their salvation is not valid since they believed in Christ work only 2000 yrs latter!!

 

[Adstar]

Hello InSpiritInTruth:

Thank you for the inspiring Truths in your post..

There is only one truth and it cannot change even from one's perspective(s). That would be called 'relative truth or in this case relative sin' What is truth and sin for one is not for another. This is a LIE! There is only one truth and Jesus stated that many centuries ago.

John 14:6 (KJV) " Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

To be truthful, I sin everyday.

You have just praised the posts of InSpiritInTruth in this thread to be truth and InSpiritInTruth declared that the Atonement of Jesus only covers past sins.. So when you where saved all your past sins where forgiven.. But InSpiritInTruth delares that future sins are NOT covered by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

""""To be truthful, I sin everyday."""" Amen yes you are being truthfull and yes you sin every day... Therefore according to the doctrine being put forward byInSpiritInTruth that only past sins are forgiven by The atonement of Jesus when we get saved.. You are not forgiven any sins that you have sinned since the day you became a Christian and where saved...

You have just praised the very teaching that condemns you to hell.. For you confess that you continue to sin after being saved...