Have a bit of grace and understanding to show or explain to them then... the Bible is a book that is best to read in order, today many people cut it up and mess around with it so its becomes a Bible mashup. It would be like you have a three course meal right, but some people think you can eat everything all at once like a buffet. Well when people do that thats when they get indigestion.Law and Grace, two covenants........I cannot believe how many people do not rightly divide the word and find themselves with all sorts of old covenant requirements dragging them away from GRACE.
Jesus took care of that at the Cross of Calvary over two thousand years ago. The scripture says, "For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might be rich." 2 Cor. 8:9I was talking with a friend some time ago and the following came up: In Matt 19:16-24, a rich man came to Jesus and asked what he should do to get eternal life. After some discussion about obeying the law Jesus told him to sell all of his possessions and give to the poor. I used this to make the point that as Christians we should not be concerned about making a lot of money or gaining a lot of earthly possessions, but rather we should be more concerned with helping our fellow man, evangelism, etc. My Christian friend responded, that I couldn't possibly mean that because Jesus only told that to one person, and that wasn't meant for everyone, and that he made a lot of money to help the poor, (basically every weak argument against what I was saying. I countered with, Jesus only told one person that he needed to be born again (Nicodemus, John 3:3) and yet we make that the cornerstone of Christianity.
What say ye? Should we only consider (or obey) things that Jesus told to many and disregard the private conversations?
Have a bit of grace and understanding to show or explain to them then... the Bible is a book that is best to read in order, today many people cut it up and mess around with it so its becomes a Bible mashup. It would be like you have a three course meal right, but some people think you can eat everything all at once like a buffet. Well when people do that thats when they get indigestion.
I was talking with a friend some time ago and the following came up: In Matt 19:16-24, a rich man came to Jesus and asked what he should do to get eternal life. After some discussion about obeying the law Jesus told him to sell all of his possessions and give to the poor. I used this to make the point that as Christians we should not be concerned about making a lot of money or gaining a lot of earthly possessions, but rather we should be more concerned with helping our fellow man, evangelism, etc. My Christian friend responded, that I couldn't possibly mean that because Jesus only told that to one person, and that wasn't meant for everyone, and that he made a lot of money to help the poor, (basically every weak argument against what I was saying. I countered with, Jesus only told one person that he needed to be born again (Nicodemus, John 3:3) and yet we make that the cornerstone of Christianity.
What say ye? Should we only consider (or obey) things that Jesus told to many and disregard the private conversations?
I was talking with a friend some time ago and the following came up: In Matt 19:16-24, a rich man came to Jesus and asked what he should do to get eternal life. After some discussion about obeying the law Jesus told him to sell all of his possessions and give to the poor. I used this to make the point that as Christians we should not be concerned about making a lot of money or gaining a lot of earthly possessions, but rather we should be more concerned with helping our fellow man, evangelism, etc. My Christian friend responded, that I couldn't possibly mean that because Jesus only told that to one person, and that wasn't meant for everyone, and that he made a lot of money to help the poor, (basically every weak argument against what I was saying. I countered with, Jesus only told one person that he needed to be born again (Nicodemus, John 3:3) and yet we make that the cornerstone of Christianity.
What say ye? Should we only consider (or obey) things that Jesus told to many and disregard the private conversations?
Very true! But a problem is, that most people walking to one extreme or the other actually think they are walking the middle. That's why left and right don't look for a middle, they think they are it.There is a balance......the guy was rich and trusting into the religion of his day and obviously had great trust in his riches as emphasised by the story of the Rich man and Lazarus or the rich man and bigger barns....He lacked trust into Christ and following Jesus....also....stories such as....if you have two coats give one away to someone who has none etc......The flip side....Solomon said it is of God's hand that we enjoy the fruit of our labor.......as with most of the bible....there is a center line to walk that balances the extremities of both sides of the same coin!
Very true! But a problem is, that most people walking to one extreme or the other actually think they are walking the middle. That's why left and right don't look for a middle, they think they are it.
Well there ya go, brother, we don't agree on osas or riches but you did the right thing there by opening the doors to the poor. It's funny, God says in the end He will call His Bride into the wilderness, and He's taking us to farmville Minnesota. You're right, you have to give to get, and too many people don't understand that any more.Honesty with the word and facts = the best choice.......For example.....I RARELY testify like I am about to testify because we are told not to....but as an example.....when I downsized and moved to Mark Twain national forest off grid to my cabin I had a whole house full of everything in Mountain Home Arkansas......I OPENED the doors and let All the poorer people walk thru and take what they wanted.....EVERYTHING.....and what was left I gave to the Red Cross....I have always been generous with what God has blessed me with...both to the church of my membership and the people around me.....And I was able to retire at 45......My view...God blessed me because of all that I have given....
NOTE.....ALL CAN READ MY POSTS...I rarely, if ever say things similar to this because we are not to boast in what we do or say...but for those reading maybe this can be an example!
Well thats good see even you skipped some bits there are people who may just dont have the time, but pray for them not to take shortcuts and just be gentle with them and encourage them to focus on reading the Bible. I dont see any profit in putting people down all the time just to exalt oneself...if people arent reading the Bible and only looking at church manuals and getting doctrine from that then yes thats a worry but you just focus on what God has shown you not what everyone else is getting wrong.First thing I did after being born again was to read the bible. Started with Genesis because it made sense to me to start at the beginnng of a book. Read it all but have to admit that I tended to skim a lot at the Chronicles before I learned later that it was a treasure of history. Psalms 119 seemed terribly loooong. Revelation was not a "revelation" because I was too new at this study stuff. I knew nothing of doctrine, I was just learning about God.
First question I asked about something Jesus said in the gospels, I was told about rightly dividing the word....at the cross.
Second thing I just KNEW was true was that God is sovereing over His creation......all of it.
Processing scripture from those viewpoints led me to God's great truths before my beliefs were "formalized" by doctrines or tenets.
So, unless one is willing to do the work there will be only people who speak "christianese" or spoutings from "christianettes" who like being part of a religion but have no real understanding of God's sovereignty or His character.
The bible is its own teacher for those who have the Holy Spirit.
"But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised" 1 Cor 2:14
Yes. I have heard the interpretation that the "eye of a needle" was a very small opening in a city wall that a camel had to scrunch down and crawl, and WORK to barely make through. I utterly and completely reject it!Just curious, do you know what the eye of the needle actually was? It IS actually possible for a camel to pass thru, it's just extremely difficult.
That passage was as an example to all of us showing that we could not perfectly keep the law as it shouldI was talking with a friend some time ago and the following came up: In Matt 19:16-24, a rich man came to Jesus and asked what he should do to get eternal life. After some discussion about obeying the law Jesus told him to sell all of his possessions and give to the poor. I used this to make the point that as Christians we should not be concerned about making a lot of money or gaining a lot of earthly possessions, but rather we should be more concerned with helping our fellow man, evangelism, etc. My Christian friend responded, that I couldn't possibly mean that because Jesus only told that to one person, and that wasn't meant for everyone, and that he made a lot of money to help the poor, (basically every weak argument against what I was saying. I countered with, Jesus only told one person that he needed to be born again (Nicodemus, John 3:3) and yet we make that the cornerstone of Christianity.
What say ye? Should we only consider (or obey) things that Jesus told to many and disregard the private conversations?
This accords with Romans 3.When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. (Matthew 19:25-26 KJV)
Yes... this comes from two different parts in Acts: chapter 2:43-44 and chapter 4:32-5:11.Isn't there something about the early Christians all living together and all their property was shared. And somebody didn't sell all their stuff but held some back. He fell down dead, or something like that? I read it in the Bible somewhere?
The whole point of this narrative was not that wealth is evil but that covetousness is idolatry. This man was breaking the first four commandments pertaining to God, although he claimed that he was observing the last six. Regardless he was asked to turn away from his idol (repent), but he loved his wealth more than God or salvation. Even more importantly he failed to see who Christ really is, and receive Him as Lord and Savior. He also had the false idea that one can inherit (or earn) eternal life, when it is a gift of God's grace.I was talking with a friend some time ago and the following came up: In Matt 19:16-24, a rich man came to Jesus and asked what he should do to get eternal life. After some discussion about obeying the law Jesus told him to sell all of his possessions and give to the poor.
Christians are not to be covetous and make wealth one of their idols. At the same time, since money is neutral, it can be effectively used for helping others, and for propagating the Gospel. So wealth is not evil, but the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil.I used this to make the point that as Christians we should not be concerned about making a lot of money or gaining a lot of earthly possessions, but rather we should be more concerned with helping our fellow man, evangelism, etc.
Isn't there something about the early Christians all living together and all their property was shared. And somebody didn't sell all their stuff but held some back. He fell down dead, or something like that? I read it in the Bible somewhere?
One of the donkey's knew how to talk too.On the donkey it’s quite rich in meaning and the reasons for it is found in the Bible here’s just one.
1 Sam 9
3 One day the donkeys of Saul’s father Kish wandered off. So Kish said to his son Saul, “Take one of the servants and go look for the donkeys.”