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Wrong. God never wills people to be sinners. That would make God the author of sin.
Correct.
Romans 4:15 ("where there is no law, there is no transgression"
Romans 5:13 "sin is not imputed when there is no law".

1 Timothy 2:3,4

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.



No Bible verse says God is hate.
Read my post again please.
I never said God is hate.
I repeated what God says of himself.

God hates.
Bible says God is love.

  • 1 John 4:8: "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
  • 1 John 4:16: "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him."
  • 1 John 4:10: "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Unrepentant sinners actually do choose hell, darkness, evil — because they reject the light.
Incorrect if you accept what God says in 1 Corinthians 2.
They hate the light. Heaven is the realm of light. So they do not want heaven. Their choice is hell.
They cannot choose.
The Bible teaches that sinners are completely spiritual dead and cannot choose salvation on their own.

  • Ephesians 2:1: "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins."
  • John 6:44: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."
  • Romans 3:11: "No one understands; no one seeks for God."
  • 1 Corinthians 2:14: "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God... he is not able to understand them."
Being spiritually dead first means they are destined for damnation first.

Unless, as God tells us, he intervenes and leads them into his grace.
John 3

19And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil.

20Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.
 
Thanks for the link.

Interestingly, I am viewing videos and teaching of Dr. Michael Heiser, and he mentions R.B. Thieme Jr as reference or similar teaching. If you are familiar with Heiser, he is all about understanding how the original authors thought/believed and how that
reflects on we view or I guess should reflect, since there is a massive difference between modern thought/application and them.

I will listen to Thieme's teaching. Interesting

Michael Steven Heiser was an American Old Testament scholar and Christian author
with training in ancient history, Semitic languages, and the Hebrew Bible from the
University of Pennsylvania and the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
Wikipedia

Yes... They are kindred spirits!
R.B.Thieme was retired military. (Colonel)
He retained his down to earth sense of humor when presenting his very detailed teachings.

I find his approach refreshing.
But those who are easily offended, and must be catered to? Usually do not.
 
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There are only a handful of soteriological camps that every church, if consistent, falls into. In other words, 40+k denominations can be broken down in the schools of thought: Arianism, Pelagianism (semi-), Arminianism, Calvinism, and Universalism.

Guess which one is Eglatarian and flys rainbow flags?
The irony runs deep with the rainbow flags.

The reason God gave us a rainbow is because he needed to destroy many who lived like the flag wavers do today.
They just don't get it.
Like being pro- Islam who would thrown them off the roofs of buildings.
Those like that are their own worst enemy.
 
The irony runs deep with the rainbow flags.

The reason God gave us a rainbow is because he needed to destroy many who lived like the flag wavers do today.
They just don't get it.
Like being pro- Islam who would thrown them off the roofs of buildings.
Those like that are their own worst enemy.
Yes, I've seen on the news a rude awakening for them in other parts of the world these last two weeks.
Reminds me of a video made a couple of weeks ago.
To some, they believe that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Usually, they respond to something like this in defense of _________

 
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You missed the point in your effort to derail the point.
And what point was that?
In the context of this thread among the audience participating in it.
The whole thread is derailed by the opposition to Calvinism.
Sentiment and eisegesis are used like wet noodles to oppose scripture.
But somebody's feelings might get hurt if it's not said their way.
 
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I haven't forgotten that Noah was born dead in his sin, like the rest of humanity. But he was regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and given the gift of grace and faith which resulted in his regeneration and salvation.

The OT Saints were under the same covenant of grace as the rest of us throughout human history. There has only ever been one way of salvation for Gods elect.
Let us examine this claim to see if it comports with what the scriptures say.
The author of Hebrews tells us this about the NEW COVENANT:

13 By speaking of a new covenant, He (God, speaking by the prophet Jeremiah) has made the first one
(i.e., the Mosaic covenant) OBSOLETE; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
(Hebrews 8:13)
The word OBSOLETE is from the Greek word παλαιόω which means:
to declare a thing to be old and so about to be abrogated: Hebrews 8:13
This shows that when Christ formed the NEW COVENANT in His blood the Old Mosaic covenant of the Law was
no longer in effect but was superseded and replaced. Not only that but the last traces of the Old Covenant was already disappearing when the book of Hebrews was written. This proved to be true historically, since in a relatively short time the Romans destroyed the temple which ended both the sacrificial system and the Aaronic priesthood.
There is simply no scriptural basis
for your claim that The OT Saints were under the same covenant of grace as the rest of us throughout human history. There has only ever been one way of salvation for Gods elect.
God made a number of covenants - some with mankind as a whole, others with a segment of humanity such as the Jewish people. Each of these covenants came with their own requirements and benefits.

The New Covenant was superior to all inasmuch as the Lamb's offering of Himself is sufficient for anyone and everyone who is willing to REPENT of their SINS and entrust themselves to Christ to save them.
 
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Let us examine this claim to see if it comports with what the scriptures say.
The author of Hebrews tells us this about the NEW COVENANT:

13 By speaking of a new covenant, He (God, speaking by the prophet Jeremiah) has made the first one
(i.e., the Mosaic covenant) OBSOLETE; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
(Hebrews 8:13)
The word OBSOLETE is from the Greek word παλαιόω which means:
to declare a thing to be old and so about to be abrogated: Hebrews 8:13
This shows that when Christ formed the NEW COVENANT in His blood the Old Mosaic covenant of the Law was
no longer in effect but was superseded and replaced. Not only that but the last traces of the Old Covenant was already disappearing when the book of Hebrews was written. This proved to be true historically, since in a relatively short time the Romans destroyed the temple which ended both the sacrificial system and the Aaronic priesthood.
There is simply no scriptural basis
for your claim that The OT Saints were under the same covenant of grace as the rest of us throughout human history. There has only ever been one way of salvation for Gods elect.
God made a number of covenants - some with mankind as a whole, others with a segment of humanity such as the Jewish people. Each of these covenants came with their own requirements and benefits.

The New Covenant was superior to all inasmuch as the Lamb's offering of Himself is sufficient for anyone and everyone who is willing to REPENT of their SINS and entrust themselves to Christ to save them.
Question: Do you believe in replacement theology?
I ask, on another point of some interpreting Hebrews 8:13 to mean the Law is abolished.
 
The OT Saints were under the same covenant of grace as the rest of us throughout human history. There has only ever been one way of salvation for Gods elect.
The Law was the means of grace to the chosen people of G-d. Consider Romans 2, rather than the written law, the gentile heart acts as judge, even excusing them of any wrongdoing or justifying their unrighteousness. It doesn't mean what some think, why bother with the law at all, just follow their heart. That's the way those verses are often conveyed.

I asked questions about Hebrews 8:13 because, likewise, some use that verse for emphasis of replacement theology. There is only one covenant tree that expands the covenantal divides.

This goes into total depravity or inability. I agree w/ you @Journey_man in that Hebrews 11, the hall of faith, lists the faithful remnant. The ordo salutis is the same from cover to cover; soteriology is unchanged, and the same G-d is immutable.
 
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A Defense of Calvinism as the Gospel​


Prof. David J. Engelsma

The term "Calvinism" is not the name by which we Calvinists prefer to have our faith called; nor do we prefer to call ourselves "Calvinists." Calvin was the name of a man, a great servant of God, John Calvin. He was one of the Reformers by whom the Holy Spirit reformed the Church in the 16th century. To call ourselves "Calvinists" and our faith "Calvinism" leaves the impression that we follow a man and that these beliefs are the invention of a man. In fact, these terms originally were terms of derision used by our enemies, as were also the names "Christian" and "Protestant." Therefore, from the very beginning, Calvinists called themselves "Reformed" or "Presbyterian." Thus, they deliberately distinguished themselves from the other great branch of the Protestant Reformation, the Lutheran Church, which did call itself by the name of a man (contrary to the wishes of Luther himself).

Nevertheless, "Calvinism" and "Calvinist" are useful terms, today. They are widely known, even though that be, in part, through the attack upon, and reproach of, Calvinism by its enemies. Also, the name "Calvinist" is embraced by persons and churches who are not Reformed or Presbyterian but who confess those tenets of Calvinism which they call "the doctrines of grace." "Calvinism" has come to stand for certain doctrines, a certain system of truth. We have no objection to calling these doctrines "Calvinism" as long as two things are clearly understood. First, it must be understood that not the man, John Calvin, but Holy Scripture is the source of them. Second, it must be understood that we who embrace these truths are not disciples of a man, Calvin, but are concerned exclusively to follow God's eternal Son in our flesh, Jesus Christ, exactly by confessing these doctrines.

There are different ways of viewing Calvinism. Some have discovered political implications in Calvinism, e.g., strong opposition to every form of tyranny. Others have found Calvinism important for economics. Max Weber thought to trace the spirit of capitalism to Calvinism, indeed, to Calvinism's doctrine of double predestination. We could examine Calvinism as a total world-and-life-view. It is more, much more, than a set of doctrines, and certainly much more than five points of doctrine. Like humanism or Marxism, Calvinism is a world-and-life-view with which a man takes a stand in every area of human life. Also, Calvinism involves one with the Church, the instituted Church, and is not only the personal beliefs of the individual; it is through and through ecclesiastical. With the early Church, Calvinism fervently holds that "outside the Church is no salvation."

At its heart, however, Calvinism is theology, true religion; and this means doctrine. This is how we will be viewing Calvinism, here. We limit ourselves to a consideration of Calvinism as the Gospel.

Calvinism is the Gospel. Its outstanding doctrines are simply the truths that make up the Gospel. Departure from Calvinism, therefore, is apostasy from the Gospel of God's grace in Christ. Our defence of Calvinism, then, will proceed as follows. First, we will show that Calvinism is the Gospel. This is necessary because of its detractors, who criticize it as a perversion of the Gospel. Second, we will defend it as the Gospel. In doing this, we carry out the calling that every believer has from God. Paul wrote that he was "set for the defence of the Gospel" (Philippians 1:17). I Peter 3:15 calls every believer to give an answer, an "apology" or defence, to everyone who asks us a reason for the hope that is in us. As the name indicates, Calvinism is a certain teaching associated with John Calvin; it refers to biblical doctrines that he propounded.

Calvin was a Frenchman, born in 1509 and died at 55 in 1564, who lived during the Reformation of the Church, a contemporary of Martin Luther. He was converted from Roman Catholicism early in his life, "by a sudden conversion," he tells us in his preface to his commentary on the Psalms, "since I was too obstinately devoted to the superstitions of Popery to be easily extricated from so profound an abyss of mire," and laboured on behalf of the Protestant Faith all the rest of his life. He lived and worked in Geneva, Switzerland as a pastor and theologian. His labour was prodigious. He preached almost daily; did an immense pastoral work; carried on a massive correspondence; and wrote commentaries, tracts, and other theological works. He is remembered especially for his great work on Christian theology, Institutes of the Christian Religion (which still exercises great influence, which every professing Protestant could profitably read and which every critic of Calvinism ought to have studied, if he wishes to be taken seriously), and for his commentaries on almost every book of the Bible. Calvin's Protestant contemporaries recognized his outstanding gifts, especially in theology and exposition of Scripture. They referred to him simply as "the Theologian."

Calvin's influence in all the world, already during his lifetime and ever afterwards, was tremendous. Luther, of course, stands alone, as the founder of the Protestant Reformation. But Calvin, benefiting from Luther, outstripped even Luther in influencing the Church of Christ in all the world.

In the history of the Church, Calvinism is the name for the faith of the Reformed and Presbyterian branch of the Protestant Reformation. These Churches were called "Reformed" in Germany, France, Switzerland and the Netherlands. In England, Scotland and the north of Ireland, they were called "Presbyterian." This faith was early expressed in written confessions, or creeds. Among the confessions of the Reformed Churches are the Heidelberg Catechism, the Belgic Confession of Faith and the Canons of Dordt. The great Presbyterian creeds are the Westminster Confession of Faith and the Westminster Catechisms. All of these confessions are in essential agreement.

The Reformed and Presbyterian Churches insisted that the teaching embodied in these creeds, that which is now called Calvinism, was the revelation of God in Holy Scripture. Calvinism bases itself on Scripture. It holds fully the Protestant principle of sola scriptura (Scripture alone). The doctrine of Scripture is the very foundation of Calvinism. It is a mistake, therefore, to define Calvinism apart from its belief concerning Scripture.

The Bible is the only authority in and over the Church. It is this because it is the inspired Word of God, as II Timothy 3:16 claims: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." As such, Scripture is the "infallible rule" (Belgic Confession 7). It may not be ignored, questioned or subjected to criticism, but must be received, believed and obeyed. This is vital for Calvinism because Calvinism teaches many things about which man complains, "These are hard sayings, who can hear them?" For Calvinism, the question is not, "will men in the 20th century like these things?" But the question is, "Does the Word of God say so?"

Calvinism is concerned to proclaim the Scriptures. The preaching of Scripture, both within the Church and outside the Church, is the central interest of Calvinism. It is false to conceive of Calvinism as a theoretical, abstruse science carried on by heady intellectuals in ivory towers. With the entire Reformation, it wanted, and wants today, to preach the Gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation to every one who believes.

Calvinism, then, can rightly be viewed as certain basic doctrines, the so-called "five points of Calvinism." But even here, a word of caution is in order. Historically, it is something of a misnomer to call these doctrines "Calvinism." On these doctrines, there was no difference between Luther and Calvin. These two leading Reformers were in agreement in their teaching on the doctrines of predestination, the depravity of the fallen man and justification by faith alone. Indeed, almost without exception, all of the Reformers embraced what we now call "Calvinism." Besides, the "five points of Calvinism," as five particular doctrines that distinguish Calvinism, originated after Calvin's death. They were formulated by a Synod of Reformed Churches in the Netherlands, in 1618-l619, the Synod of Dordt, in response to an attack on these five doctrines by a group within the Reformed Churches that were known as the Remonstrants or Arminians. This Synod set forth, confessed, explained and defended these five truths in the Canons of the Synod of Dordt. But it was Calvin who developed these truths, systematically and fully; and therefore, they came to be called by his name.
So, I need a breakthrough on somethings spiritually and others (like finances, marriage, etc.). I’m just trying to piece through this Calvinist (sp?) post for something that can help.
 
So, I need a breakthrough on somethings spiritually and others (like finances, marriage, etc.). I’m just trying to piece through this Calvinist (sp?) post for something that can help.
So r u interested in the salvation of your soul ?
 
So r u interested in the salvation of your soul ?
I do need a breakthrough, but I’m more curious on the stance of the Holy Spirit and praying in tongues and how that sets with your original topic. It was very well written, but how would I convey Jesus’s message, and an impartation of God’s presence and power to someone who is truly hurting and needing a breakthrough. I know you’re probably gonna say “through prayer and fasting” and that’s true, but doctrinally speaking.
 
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I do need a breakthrough, but I’m more curious on the stance of the Holy Spirit and praying in tongues and how that sets with your original topic. It was very well written, but how would I convey Jesus’s message, and an impartation of God’s presence and power to someone who is truly hurting and needing a breakthrough. I know you’re probably gonna say “through prayer and fasting” and that’s true, but doctrinally speaking.
I would share the Gospel with them. And you already know that I believe the doctrines of Tulip are Gospel Truths. Do you know what the acronym Tulip means ?
 
Romans 4:15 ("where there is no law, there is no transgression"
Romans 5:13 "sin is not imputed when there is no law".

God's Law DEFINED sin in a world where everyone up to then had been thinking sin was a normal way to be.

Scary isn't it?

To consider the state of mankind?
How it was without any knowledge of the Law?

For without the Law there was no transgression to be known as wrong.
And, without the Law?
How could a man could have his sin imputed when no one knew what sin was?

The Law was God's way of beginning to domesticating wild mankind.

In Grace ...............
 
Reminds me of Calvary Chapel; they got rid of all the Calvinist pastors while they were bragging about expository preaching and theologically regressing back to Catholicism. Belief statements like "Anybody can will themselves to G-d filled pages of each independent church under the non-denominational banner." Suppose each of them contributed to each of the 40k-plus denomination list.
Ever sit in a church for the first time and think to yourself, "I'm going brain dead here"?

@Genez What does your screen name mean? Gen Z?
Gene Z.
 
How could a man could have his sin imputed when no one knew what sin was?
Argumentum ad ignorantiam
Does ignorance have an expiration date?
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Hope ya'll are getting used to my humor as dry at times it can be.


It was nice corresponding with you, Gene Z.
It has been fun here for me, at least on one side of the network connection.
G-d bless!
 
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