Can you know the date and time of Christ Return?

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Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Let me tell you what that verse says and what it doesn't say.

It doesn't say you CAN'T know.
It was said to specific people (the disciples)
It was said at a specific time (during the Olivet prophecy).
It shows that the Father is the one with the knowledge of the Day and Hour.

I want to dispel this satanic usage of this verse in which it is used to say we CAN'T know.

Now it says the Father is the one that knows. Who does the Father give His knowledge to and how? (think about that very hard for a moment).

God has set the course of redemption through the process of Faith (TRUST).

Who does God Trust?

Consider this verse:

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Now consider the verse above where bolded. If the Lord says He is coming as a thief in the night upon those that will not know the hour in which He comes if they Don't watch. Therefore, reasoning would be that if your watching then you know when God is coming.

Isn't God going to give those of His the knowledge of the Hour? Consider further:

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Read that verse again until you get it - it say if the goodman knows the watch then he would watch.

But let's look at the real proof verses here:

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So here the disciples are in Jerusalem and awaiting Pentecost and the receipt of the Holy Spirit. They can't know the day or hour because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Only the Father can reveal the time and hour by means of His Spirit. Notice the context of the question they asked and the Answer to that question. They are effectively told that they would know the Time and Seasons in God's Power AFTER they receive the Holy Spirit.

Just because many are wrong about the times and hours, etc.. doesn't mean that it can't be known. Remember it says it would as it was in Noah's day. And Noah knew the time when the floods would come BEFORE they came.

Hope this helps.
 

Blade

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Are we or you talking about "caught up?". Not sure what TIME zone so .. no one will know :). What I believe? We will know.. but like this. We are going to Chruch, going to School, to work, taking lunch, dinner. Going to bed or getting up. Wait... wait something WONDERFUL is about to happen. We feel this joy we never had.. Hes coming! And then POOF.. meet Him in the air. Its personal so not written.
 

TM19782017

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I must say that, TRUSTING TIMING, seems to be the hardest and most necessary ingredient in our walk with God.
 

Melach

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another false prophet. to the trash can with you

it was game over for you when you called Jesus' truth satanic then your name is a false prediction.
 
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Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Let me tell you what that verse says and what it doesn't say.

It doesn't say you CAN'T know.
It was said to specific people (the disciples)
It was said at a specific time (during the Olivet prophecy).
It shows that the Father is the one with the knowledge of the Day and Hour.

I want to dispel this satanic usage of this verse in which it is used to say we CAN'T know.

Now it says the Father is the one that knows. Who does the Father give His knowledge to and how? (think about that very hard for a moment).

God has set the course of redemption through the process of Faith (TRUST).

Who does God Trust?

Consider this verse:

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Now consider the verse above where bolded. If the Lord says He is coming as a thief in the night upon those that will not know the hour in which He comes if they Don't watch. Therefore, reasoning would be that if your watching then you know when God is coming.

Isn't God going to give those of His the knowledge of the Hour? Consider further:

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Read that verse again until you get it - it say if the goodman knows the watch then he would watch.

But let's look at the real proof verses here:

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So here the disciples are in Jerusalem know the day or hour BUT it don't say and awaiting Pentecost and the receipt of the Holy Spirit. They can't know the day or hour because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Only the Father can reveal the time and hour by means of His Spirit. Notice the context of the question they asked and the Answer to that question. They are effectively told that they would know the Time and Seasons in God's Power AFTER they receive the Holy Spirit.

Just because many are wrong about the times and hours, etc.. doesn't mean that it can't be known. Remember it says it would as it was in Noah's day. And Noah knew the time when the floods would come BEFORE they came.

Hope this helps.
THE BIBLE tells us that we can't know the day or hour . But it don't say that we can't know the year that He is coming .
But he dose tell us how to know it's getting close .When Church & state comes together like it was in rome . & pas sunday LAWS
THEN know that it's real close even at the door ,as the BIBLE says .GOD BLESS
 

TheDivineWatermark

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I pretty much agree that Matthew 24:36 (and related verses ["but of that day and hour knoweth [PERFECT indicative] no man [not even Jesus, at the time He spoke this]") is not saying no one can ever know (or no one will ever know);

I believe the "context" speaks of His Second Coming to the earth; and

I believe that after His resurrection/ascension that Jesus now "knows" and has disclosed further information on that Subject in the Book of Revelation...

so that those who will be existing in the [future] tribulation period (who will heed His Word and/or listen to those bringing it, at that time) would be ABLE to "know" (especially as that information disclosed therein is "understood" in connection with the rest of Scripture, if that makes sense).

So, I am saying that that particular context (of Matt24:36, and parallel) isn't speaking of "our Rapture"; but...

does this then mean that I do not believe it's possible for the Spirit-taught believer [today, "in this present age [singular]"] to "know" THAT [Subject--our Rapture-timing], by contrast? No.
I don't believe Scripture says we can't or are forbidden from knowing... I believe it is possible to know, but only as derived by Scripture (meaning, if it were to be known, it would be found THERE); I'm not sure that even having a reasonable guess based solely on Scripture, would be of any benefit to others, in the event one should decide to disclose what they see Scripture revealing, in that regard. I do believe Scripture informs us of much more than we typically realize, on the whole.

Just my two cents on the subject. :)
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The idea is to be watching and waiting so that you aren't surprised, or taken unaware. Not that you will be able to predict, but that you will be ready.
If you know that someone is coming to visit and they are on a long road trip you just stay up and watch not knowing the hour that they will arrive, but you are up and ready. The coffee is ready to brew, the porch light is on, the cups are clean and ready to be used. The linens are washed and freshened and pillows are fluffed and you are ready for them to arrive. You are not surprised because you have anticipated them. The same with Jesus be ready so you aren't surprised.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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P.S. [to the OP] Do you believe that "He will come [in] 2040" based on Isaac Newton's studies? (or did he say 2060, I forget actually! LOL [I do think he said "2060"... but another poster said that he merely said THAT (and provided his actual quote) in order to get other ppl to "quit setting dates" HAHA!])... personally, I think he was "off" in his guess, by a bit ;)
 
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The idea is to be watching and waiting so that you aren't surprised, or taken unaware. Not that you will be able to predict, but that you will be ready.
If you know that someone is coming to visit and they are on a long road trip you just stay up and watch not knowing the hour that they will arrive, but you are up and ready. The coffee is ready to brew, the porch light is on, the cups are clean and ready to be used. The linens are washed and freshened and pillows are fluffed and you are ready for them to arrive. You are not surprised because you have anticipated them. The same with Jesus be ready so you aren't surprised.
AMAN TWICE (y) (y) HE is only coming AS a thief to them that's not watching SO let us be watching , & not let satan to get us to turn our head ,where we are not looking . o_O
 
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THE BIBLE tells us that we can't know the day or hour . But it don't say that we can't know the year that He is coming .
But he dose tell us how to know it's getting close .When Church & state comes together like it was in rome . & pas sunday LAWS
THEN know that it's real close even at the door ,as the BIBLE says .GOD BLESS
Can you show where it says we CAN'T know the hour?
 
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I pretty much agree that Matthew 24:36 (and related verses ["but of that day and hour knoweth [PERFECT indicative] no man [not even Jesus, at the time He spoke this]") is not saying no one can ever know (or no one will ever know);

I believe the "context" speaks of His Second Coming to the earth; and

I believe that after His resurrection/ascension that Jesus now "knows" and has disclosed further information on that Subject in the Book of Revelation...

so that those who will be existing in the [future] tribulation period (who will heed His Word and/or listen to those bringing it, at that time) would be ABLE to "know" (especially as that information disclosed therein is "understood" in connection with the rest of Scripture, if that makes sense).

So, I am saying that that particular context (of Matt24:36, and parallel) isn't speaking of "our Rapture"; but...

does this then mean that I do not believe it's possible for the Spirit-taught believer [today, "in this present age [singular]"] to "know" THAT [Subject--our Rapture-timing], by contrast? No.
I don't believe Scripture says we can't or are forbidden from knowing... I believe it is possible to know, but only as derived by Scripture (meaning, if it were to be known, it would be found THERE); I'm not sure that even having a reasonable guess based solely on Scripture, would be of any benefit to others, in the event one should decide to disclose what they see Scripture revealing, in that regard. I do believe Scripture informs us of much more than we typically realize, on the whole.

Just my two cents on the subject. :)
Acts 1, shows that you can know by the means of the Holy Spirit.
 
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The idea is to be watching and waiting so that you aren't surprised, or taken unaware. Not that you will be able to predict, but that you will be ready.
If you know that someone is coming to visit and they are on a long road trip you just stay up and watch not knowing the hour that they will arrive, but you are up and ready. The coffee is ready to brew, the porch light is on, the cups are clean and ready to be used. The linens are washed and freshened and pillows are fluffed and you are ready for them to arrive. You are not surprised because you have anticipated them. The same with Jesus be ready so you aren't surprised.
Noah knew. As it was in Noah's day will be that time. Jesus considered knowing the time of His visitation to be very important:

Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
 
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P.S. [to the OP] Do you believe that "He will come [in] 2040" based on Isaac Newton's studies? (or did he say 2060, I forget actually! LOL [I do think he said "2060"... but another poster said that he merely said THAT (and provided his actual quote) in order to get other ppl to "quit setting dates" HAHA!])... personally, I think he was "off" in his guess, by a bit ;)
I know it will be 2040 from my studies of the Word of God and the world around us.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Can you show where it says we CAN'T know the hour?
No man knows; is a present imperative. That mean that no man knows, not you, not me. No man knows, so anytime you read it; it is true regardless of when you read it. If I read it now, I can know that no man knows; if I read it again in a thousand years, I can know upon reading it that no man knows the statement is true until he comes then we will know because he will be here at the time. So the only time you will know the hour is hour of his arrival. It's a simple language construct similar to his statement that he is coming again. Until he actually returns and is here plan on it his coming again.