Christian nationalists

[SabbathBlessing]

Just wondering what this is all about? Anyone?

While it may seem good, its not. The devil works in many ways.

Its basically telling people how to believe, how to think and how to worship or else.

When we break down the separation of church and state we are living in the last days. The government should not mandate how one worships, just like with Daniel and his friends went through, when it is contrary to God's law.

God wants us to love and obey Him because our heart is changed, not by force, otherwise He would have made us all robots.

Anything that is of force is not coming from God.

 

[Leastofall]

There are 2 things that always raise a flag of concern to me.

1. A pastor or church telling me how to vote.
2. A politician telling me how to pray.

Many times in my walk I am reminded of the very first verse of the Bible.

" In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth "

This to me is the most powerful and insightful verse in the Bible. It is by his will and design that any thing under the sun will stand in the last days.
If we start imposing or demanding christian values then we are just the same as the extremists in the middle east.
Subtle words such as "come and see" or "consider this" found throughout the word of God speaks more powerfully than do this or that.

EXAMPLE

I believe the evidence is quite clear that there is a God and he does work in the affairs of man.
Israel is a testimony to that along with the united states. ( ever seen the parallel comparison of these to countries?
The common denominator between these two....The Hebrew God.
The riseing and decline of both these countries were based on who they worshiped and turned away from.

 

[rrcn]

Common threads among extreme right-wing movements in America today. Here is a breakdown of their shared ideologies and their impact:
Common Ideologies:
* Nativism and Xenophobia: A strong anti-immigrant sentiment and a belief that "true" Americans are those born in the country, often with a focus on white, Christian identity.
* Authoritarianism: A preference for strong leaders and a distrust of democratic institutions, often coupled with a willingness to use violence or threats to achieve goals.
* Conspiracy Theories: A reliance on disinformation and distrust of mainstream media, often embracing conspiracy theories about shadowy elites or globalist agendas.
* Traditionalist Values: A focus on "traditional" family structures and gender roles, often opposing LGBTQ+ rights and feminism.
* Economic Grievances: A sense of economic anxiety and resentment towards perceived elites, often blaming immigrants or minorities for economic hardship.
Impact on National and Regional Politics:
* Mainstreaming Extremism: These movements have pushed the boundaries of acceptable discourse, bringing previously fringe ideas into the mainstream.
* Electoral Influence: They have mobilized voters and influenced elections at various levels, from local school boards to national races.
* Policy Impact: Their ideologies have shaped policy debates on issues like immigration, education, and social welfare.
* Violence and Intimidation: These groups have engaged in violence and intimidation, contributing to a climate of fear and polarization.
* Erosion of Democratic Norms: Their distrust of institutions and willingness to subvert democratic processes pose a threat to the stability of American democracy.
Specific Movements:
While sharing these common features, extreme right-wing movements in America are diverse, including:
* White Supremacist Groups: Explicitly racist groups advocating for white dominance.
* Christian Nationalists: Seeking to merge Christian identity with American nationalism.
* Anti-Government Militias: Armed groups preparing for perceived government tyranny.
* Proud Boys and Other "Patriot" Groups: Engaging in street-level activism and violence.
* QAnon: Adherents of a sprawling conspiracy theory involving a "deep state" and Satanic pedophiles.
Important Considerations:
* Not Monolithic: These movements are not a single entity, and there are internal divisions and disagreements.
* Evolving Landscape: The specific issues and tactics of these movements are constantly evolving.
* Counter-movements: There are also strong counter-movements working to combat extremism and defend democratic values.
Understanding these common features and the impact of extreme right-wing movements is crucial for protecting American democracy and promoting a more inclusive and just society.

I just can’t see Jesus approving of any of this.

 

[GWH]

There are 2 things that always raise a flag of concern to me.

1. A pastor or church telling me how to vote.
2. A politician telling me how to pray.

Many times in my walk I am reminded of the very first verse of the Bible.

" In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth "

This to me is the most powerful and insightful verse in the Bible. It is by his will and design that any thing under the sun will stand in the last days.
If we start imposing or demanding christian values then we are just the same as the extremists in the middle east.
Subtle words such as "come and see" or "consider this" found throughout the word of God speaks more powerfully than do this or that.

EXAMPLE

I believe the evidence is quite clear that there is a God and he does work in the affairs of man.
Israel is a testimony to that along with the united states. ( ever seen the parallel comparison of these to countries?
The common denominator between these two....The Hebrew God.
The riseing and decline of both these countries were based on who they worshiped and turned away from.

A third concern you should have is politicians telling pastors that they cannot advise their congregants about how to vote on moral issues or else they will be fined or lose tax exemption or worse.

 

[Leastofall]

Common threads among extreme right-wing movements in America today. Here is a breakdown of their shared ideologies and their impact:
Common Ideologies:
* Nativism and Xenophobia: A strong anti-immigrant sentiment and a belief that "true" Americans are those born in the country, often with a focus on white, Christian identity.
* Authoritarianism: A preference for strong leaders and a distrust of democratic institutions, often coupled with a willingness to use violence or threats to achieve goals.
* Conspiracy Theories: A reliance on disinformation and distrust of mainstream media, often embracing conspiracy theories about shadowy elites or globalist agendas.
* Traditionalist Values: A focus on "traditional" family structures and gender roles, often opposing LGBTQ+ rights and feminism.
* Economic Grievances: A sense of economic anxiety and resentment towards perceived elites, often blaming immigrants or minorities for economic hardship.
Impact on National and Regional Politics:
* Mainstreaming Extremism: These movements have pushed the boundaries of acceptable discourse, bringing previously fringe ideas into the mainstream.
* Electoral Influence: They have mobilized voters and influenced elections at various levels, from local school boards to national races.
* Policy Impact: Their ideologies have shaped policy debates on issues like immigration, education, and social welfare.
* Violence and Intimidation: These groups have engaged in violence and intimidation, contributing to a climate of fear and polarization.
* Erosion of Democratic Norms: Their distrust of institutions and willingness to subvert democratic processes pose a threat to the stability of American democracy.
Specific Movements:
While sharing these common features, extreme right-wing movements in America are diverse, including:
* White Supremacist Groups: Explicitly racist groups advocating for white dominance.
* Christian Nationalists: Seeking to merge Christian identity with American nationalism.
* Anti-Government Militias: Armed groups preparing for perceived government tyranny.
* Proud Boys and Other "Patriot" Groups: Engaging in street-level activism and violence.
* QAnon: Adherents of a sprawling conspiracy theory involving a "deep state" and Satanic pedophiles.
Important Considerations:
* Not Monolithic: These movements are not a single entity, and there are internal divisions and disagreements.
* Evolving Landscape: The specific issues and tactics of these movements are constantly evolving.
* Counter-movements: There are also strong counter-movements working to combat extremism and defend democratic values.
Understanding these common features and the impact of extreme right-wing movements is crucial for protecting American democracy and promoting a more inclusive and just society.

I just can’t see Jesus approving of any of this.

Nor can I.....is this a new movement or has it been around for a time?

 

[ResidentAlien]

Nor can I.....is this a new movement or has it been around for a time?

The seeds of CN are seen in the Ku Klux Klan as early as the 1860s. I'd say the roots of modern CN are in the 1950s when President Eisenhower had "In God We Trust" printed on currency.

In the 1960 Barry Goldwater was a key figure in American conservatism; and one of the most polarizing figures in the US. I would divide the history of CN into before Goldwater and after Goldwater. A lot of what he believed and said can still be seen reflected in CN today. In his view it was either our way (white evangelicals) or the highway. The melding of Christianity (white evangelicalism) and patriotism really started with Goldwater.

The next major player in the movement was Paul Weyrich, a Melkite Catholic. You can get a lot of information about Weyrich in the documentary Bad Faith, which can be watched on Tubi: https://tubitv.com/movies/100020971/bad-faith. He later hooked up with Jerry Falwell and cofounded the Moral Majority with him. This was a key turning point in the breaking down of walls between Catholics and Protestants in the US. Weyrich left a legacy which is the foundation of modern CN.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I have no problem with morality in government. There are plenty of laws on the books that have their basis in morality. The problem I have with CN is how they seem to want to extend this to mean our Christian worldview and ideas about morality enforced on everyone else. The founders never intended this. The government should not be in the business of promoting any religion; or denying anyone their religious freedom. As long as a person's religion is peaceful and doesn't encroach upon anyone else's liberty, the founders would be fine with it. This should be our view as well. If someone wants to start a movement to amend the Constitution, they are of course free to do that.

 

[Melach]

Oh yeah,

11. They worship Donald Trump and would jump headlong over a cliff for him if he suggested it.

12. They display imagery like the MAGA Jesus.

this is just blasphemous man. majority of the american population is not christian so their dream of a christian nation will never succeed. people are becoming less christian each year. partly because they can see thru the americanized christianity which tries to shove the united states into the bible, its sick. like trump did with his bible that he put out, had some worldly singer's lyrics on the back of it mixed with the constitution. these people talk about the constitution and God given rights, where is any of that in the bible? where is the unalinable rights in the scriptures? anyone wanna show me? im also very patriotic i love my country, ive got no issue with that. but i would never try to impose a biblical regime on a country that as a whole hates God and wants nothing to do with Him, it will never work. its completely delusional

 

[rrcn]

I think Montana is correct. Christian means those who accept Jesus as Lord and try to obey his command to love everyone. Nationalist means those who appreciate their nation and want to keep it from being subverted by the globalists/fascists/communists.

Thus:

MAGA Pubs who push Christianity in the true sense are a good thing, although not perfect,

and

Dems who are violent (or who promote violence as Nancy Pelosi did on "January 6", or racist (Antifa), or forceful (lawfare, injustice system), or not portraying Jesus moral teachings correctly (transgender & abortion advocates), and His love (Marxists) are a problem (inflation, war, etc.).

This is an us vs. them stance using us’ definition of “them”. Two extreme positions that are not even vaguely associated to the beliefs and morals of the majority of people.
I am going to unwatchable this thread, I don’t see a need for this discussion as it is political in nature.

 

[GWH]

The seeds of CN are seen in the Ku Klux Klan as early as the 1860s. I'd say the roots of modern CN are in the 1950s when President Eisenhower had "In God We Trust" printed on currency.

In the 1960 Barry Goldwater was a key figure in American conservatism; and one of the most polarizing figures in the US. I would divide the history of CN into before Goldwater and after Goldwater. A lot of what he believed and said can still be seen reflected in CN today. In his view it was either our way (white evangelicals) or the highway. The melding of Christianity (white evangelicalism) and patriotism really started with Goldwater.

The next major player in the movement was Paul Weyrich, a Melkite Catholic. You can get a lot of information about Weyrich in the documentary Bad Faith, which can be watched on Tubi: https://tubitv.com/movies/100020971/bad-faith. He later hooked up with Jerry Falwell and cofounded the Moral Majority with him. This was a key turning point in the breaking down of walls between Catholics and Protestants in the US. Weyrich left a legacy which is the foundation of modern CN.

No, the KKK represents UA, UNCHRISTIAN ATHEISM. And wanting "In No God We Trust" on currency represents the same. Do not be deceived by Marxist attempts to appropriate language and redefine terms.

The seeds of UA in the USA were sown by the Democrat Party and Woodrow Wilson and Joe Biden. MAGA melds Christian morality with political patriotism in an attempt to answer the prayer of Jesus for God's will to be done on earth, and many minorities now realize the Dems have been lying to them and are joining the MAGA movement. PTL! :^)

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I am going to unwatchable this thread, I don’t see a need for this discussion as it is political in nature.

How do you "unwatch" a thread?

 

[tourist]

Just wondering what this is all about? Anyone?

Don't really know.

 

[CS1]

Christian nationalists
is it a false narrative created by those of the Democratic Party or anyone who has a morality that is not supportive of LGBTQ perversion?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Christian nationalists are very keen on saying they want freedom of religion. What they actually mean is they want freedom of religion for them, but no one else. I don't like a lot of the religious practices that go on around us; however, their right to freedom of religion is protected by the Constitution. Until the Constitution is changed there's nothing that can be donelegally.

CNs want to use political influence to erode the separation of church and state so they can force all other religions to either go away or go underground. Who will decide what "true" Christianity is? Prophets and apostles? The president? An advisory council made up of Roman Catholics, LDS, and every other sect you can think of?

The founders wanted the state to stay out of the religion business for a reason.

I never hear you talk about Muslims who what to impose sharia law in this country which is far worse. Why this hypocrisy?

 

[JaumeJ]

Just wondering what this is all about? Anyone?

Perhaps the headwaters of a world church?

 

[Lynx]

Just wondering what this is all about? Anyone?

I'm in Tennessee and I've never heard of it. Been here all my life. This is a new one on me.

Whoever they are, tell them to keep it down, will you? People trying to sleep over here.

 

[SonJudgment]

Christian nationalists
is it a false narrative created by those of the Democratic Party or anyone who has a morality that is not supportive of LGBTQ perversion?

Bingo. That's why it's a term that is only ever really used by the anti-Christs. You never really ever see anyone ever claim to be a Christian Naitonalist, you only really ever hear this term used by the leftwing because they hate God, they hate Christians, they defend and support what God hates, they defend and support pagans. It's just their big strawman to poison the well and to try to rewrite history. Take for example how they try to rewrite history and say the KKK are Christian Nationalists, which is them just trying to manipulate and subvert black men against God to their own hurt because it is well known that black men are the most Christian demographic in America. The fact is the KKK was formed as the paramilitary of the democrat party, the KKK burns crosses, performs witchcraft, and their book is called the Kloran even (a play on words of the Koran). So much then for the KKK being Christian Nationalists. This isn't just in America either, it's quite a phenomenon worldwide. The left is demonic and has been deceived into serving Satan. They don't want you to be a Christian nation because that would be a threat to their worship of their own ego and their satanic agenda and all the wicked stuff they support and promote.

Proverbs 29:27
27 An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.