Christians need to continue to repent of their sins
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"Christians need to continue to repent of their sins" Whos saying this? Yeah it mattes since we only answer to Him we do not answer to man. What matters in all this is are 'you" doing what you preach.
"So, this must refer to eternal (spiritual) death." Nope that is not the only other choice here.
You know Paul or the sweet sweet holy Spirit tried to tell Jewish believers who would sin but go back and offer a sacrifice for that sin. He said there is no more sacrifice for that sin. Christ can not die again. So we have believer that believe when they sin Christ can still hold it against them. What happened on that cross? What sin made it past the blood of Jesus Christ? Sure we read He died we died He rose we rose yet sin can no longer touch Him but how odd it can us? So much of this is milk and we should be pass this.
Then the verses the op posted oh man there is so much more context. In one Chapter of those verses not touched is we confess our sins to each other and we are healed "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. " This alone is huge. A key that cannot be over looked "fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much" The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail
"So, this must refer to eternal (spiritual) death." Nope that is not the only other choice here.
You know Paul or the sweet sweet holy Spirit tried to tell Jewish believers who would sin but go back and offer a sacrifice for that sin. He said there is no more sacrifice for that sin. Christ can not die again. So we have believer that believe when they sin Christ can still hold it against them. What happened on that cross? What sin made it past the blood of Jesus Christ? Sure we read He died we died He rose we rose yet sin can no longer touch Him but how odd it can us? So much of this is milk and we should be pass this.
Then the verses the op posted oh man there is so much more context. In one Chapter of those verses not touched is we confess our sins to each other and we are healed "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. " This alone is huge. A key that cannot be over looked "fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much" The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail
Sins committed under the New Testament, do not come with the curse of death as they do under the First Testament, except for a very few instances. That's why Jesus' sacrifice paid our debt-in-full for all our sins which were committed by those who were under the law.
1 Jn 5: 16-17:
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Heb 9: 15:
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Rom 3: 19:
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Gal 3: 23:
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Mt 5: 18:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Sadly, the truth feels exactly the same as does error or we'd no longer need to study scripture; because we'd know as we're known, no longer seeing truth through a dark looking-glass. No longer would iron sharpen iron as we'd all be in agreement with one another for every minor doctrine and thought, which would require the Holy Spirit to give us all the same revelations as we study scripture.
2 Tim 2: 15:
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
1 Cor 13: 12:
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Pr 27: 17:
Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
1 Jn 5: 16-17:
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Heb 9: 15:
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Rom 3: 19:
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Gal 3: 23:
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Mt 5: 18:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Sadly, the truth feels exactly the same as does error or we'd no longer need to study scripture; because we'd know as we're known, no longer seeing truth through a dark looking-glass. No longer would iron sharpen iron as we'd all be in agreement with one another for every minor doctrine and thought, which would require the Holy Spirit to give us all the same revelations as we study scripture.
2 Tim 2: 15:
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
1 Cor 13: 12:
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Pr 27: 17:
Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
So, elated you are in search for it, Hallelujah and as you continue you will one day come to the end of self, your own energy and then rest in this mess and leave things not good for your soul behind you
- Hebrews 4:9
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Hebrews 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Hebrews 4:11
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
in case you are not seeing this truth, there is a before the cross and an after the cross
Before under Law
After past the Law
Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Hebrews 7:16
who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
She the people in the risen Son are no longer under Law to do Law, no flesh other than Son's can or has done it
Let go, turn to God Father and ask God for the new Heart in the risen Son for us
Ezekiel 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
The original flesh Heart that the first Adam had before he chose to not believe God and eat from that tree
thanking God, seeing truth
all sin today by Son is taken away as far as the east is from the west Psalm 103:12 so we can now live a true life of love, even while in any troubles.
Do we not see Paul rejoicing win jail still, and the jail help that came. to believe God through Paul, still rejoicing in God still, not complaining
So, sorry you seem to not fathom the truth God gives to his in humbleness
I am not qualified yet God is and uses his kids as vessels that began at Pentecost
I am not good God is and has done it for us to see it, by continued belief to it, to become wise as serpents and remain humble or better yer harmless as a dove to under stand Luke 21:14-15
I have no righteousness "Of my own ever"
I do have righteousness though! It is not mine "It is God Father's and Son's as won (One) for me and all the world to either believe it wholeheartedly or not consciously so
And Christ was once known in the flesh and blood body, today no more
2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after theflesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
1 Corinthians 1:26
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Yes, and I would like at this juncture to point out the close connection between the words "need/must" and "will/want" and "faith/belief".
Everyone is a sinner who must/needs to will/want (synonyms) to accept Christ as Lord in order to be saved, which faith/belief is not work/labor.
After becoming a genuine Christian, every Christian will (future tense) want to cooperate with the HS in doing good/loving deeds for the glory of God--which are spiritual fruit rather than reverting to seeking to earn salvation via meritorious works.
My lived experience is consistent with Hebrews 12:5-11...
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
“My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. (Heb 12:5–11)
God deals with me as His child. When I go astray, he corrects me. His correction does not bring joy, but grief. The longer I resist His correction, the worse the grief gets. Yet when I change my course and receive His correction, my grief goes away and is replaced with joy. I do not need to worry about what sins I need to repent of because He corrects me when I go astray. I do not need to worry about waking up one day a million miles away from God not knowing how I got there because He corrects me when I go astray. And I do not need to worry about dying in my sin and going to hell because I am His child (literally his offspring). But I do expect if I fail to accept His correction when I go astray at some point He will lose His patiance and take me home early.
My dad did a good job of representing God when I was a child, carefully explaining that the spanking hurt him more than me because it was done in love. I did not have a sister, but wonder whether this verse would also apply to them.
You are very arrogant. And the text you have used again here do not override what Jesus did below
Here:
John 19:28-30
28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
"It is Finished."
Jesus said this, which means in Greek, a Debt has been paid in FULL. All past debt, and future debt paid in full.
My Debt has been paid, but I still must confess I owed a debt I could not pay, and it was paid by one who did not owe it.
The Holy Spirit, a resident living in the Believer, his JOB is to convict of sin. There are sins of omission and commission.
James 4:17
Luke 10:30-37
Matthew 25:44-45
Romans 7:18-19
You think you can speak down to people in your comments, but no one can see it. We all need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
Then Paul goes on to say:
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
14 Do all things without complaining and disputing, 15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.
Okay, I get you think I am disputing (maybe not) I am not, just giving my thought(s) about being prejudice against others is how I responded, for me it is not good for me, my Soul, to accuse or excuse anyone. God chose to die once for us all, left for us all to believe God or not consciously so.
For me all sin, is sin that is not in Faith/belief to God Father in the living risen Son Jesus given them by God Father only.
Thank you, that you Believe too. Ultimately it is between God and each person, whether or not they are saved by God or not in the risen Son Jesus or not.
All that I see that got left after the finished work of Jesus for us the people is: to believe God or not and then be willing to change to love all or not, in my honest sight given me to see it, humbly so. I deserve to be dead, therefore I reckon me as dead thanks to my first birth before new birth ever began in me by God's done work of Son for me and all others as well to choose too. To believe and stand in this amazing grace given for all to choose, not have to, choice is a choice, it is not a have to do to get or be given or to keep it as religions teach that lie, to me at least,
Choice verses forced manipulation
I chose God in love and mercy given us all to stand in, by choosing to, then one will grow new and begin to see the maturity and leave 1 Cor 3 behind them, seeing what is being said to them in truth from God the Holy Spirit to them, in humility.
Hope you see God's point in his Son going to that cross first to take away the sin of the world in God's sight, not man's that is for sure, since sins continue by unbelief to what is done for them through Son to them
That is why people will not enter God's rest. because of "Unbelief" As they did wander in the desert for forty years, we the Gentiles are doing the same, trying to do what is already done for us by God for us through Son to us all as risen and be freed from stress, where no rest can be whenever in stress, at least this be what I am now seeing this amazing love for us all in thanksgiving and praise all sin taken away by Son as far as the east is from the west
I am not prejudice against others. The Thread is
Christians need to continue to repent of their sins.
The false narrative you continue to push and say of me and others.
I have no issue with you personally, what I take issue with is the context of how you try to frame the speaking out about sin which Homoseuality is and other sins which I did list as been judgment or unloving. Those who follow Christ will not practice sin. Christains will at time miss the mark AND SIN AND MUST REPENT FOR THAT. Yet if the contin8ue to repent and return to the same act of that sin of adultery , fornication, or Homosexuality drunkness they have serious issue with thier walk with GOD and need to be delivered because a strong hold has taken them.
Christians need to continue to repent of their sins.
The false narrative you continue to push and say of me and others.
I have no issue with you personally, what I take issue with is the context of how you try to frame the speaking out about sin which Homoseuality is and other sins which I did list as been judgment or unloving. Those who follow Christ will not practice sin. Christains will at time miss the mark AND SIN AND MUST REPENT FOR THAT. Yet if the contin8ue to repent and return to the same act of that sin of adultery , fornication, or Homosexuality drunkness they have serious issue with thier walk with GOD and need to be delivered because a strong hold has taken them.
Wonderful ... IF only that were true!
An NT verse or two would be greatly appreciated by all!
IMO, the "all" sins forgiven ...
were at the time of conversion, being born-again, etc.
The Bible clearly says that without the shedding of blood there can be no forgiveness (Hebrews 9:22). You are forgiven, but new and eternal life comes only when you trust Jesus Christ as your Savior.
2 Corinthians 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Hebrews 8:12 For I will be merciful to their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.
It is finished (John 19:30, Matthew 5:17), fulfilled not done away with filled by Son for the new believer to see and rest from their own work to do to get or be in as is taught by religion to do or else you not in. Now see it as done, by the work of God through Son for them to walk new, in rest from stress and anger over not doing it correct as all under Law know is truth. Not one could ever do of themselves ever. Being the reason Father sent Son to do it for us to appreciate and see new in the risen Son for us as given us to love all, where their is nothing in the Law against Love, (1 Cor 13:4-7) ask receive and see
As usual, WHO is this referring to?
Christians who continue to sin habitually?
(Of which, there are many.)
