Concerning the gift of tongues

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Taylorj2 said:
Give me an example beyond Acts 2 where tongues is interpreted when it occurs?
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Tongues were for a specific purpose.....It was used because there were many languages present.

If I were French speaking and had the gift of tongues for the English speaking people in the crowd....Why would the English crowd need an interpreter?
 
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Kroogz said:
Tongues were for a specific purpose.....It was used because there were many languages present.

If I were French speaking and had the gift of tongues for the English speaking people in the crowd....Why would the English crowd need an interpreter?
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Okay, in Acts 2 yes, but what of the other times that people speak in tongues in the book of Acts and nobody was present to hear their language?
 
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Kroogz said:
Really? Then what is it?

An interpreter is SUPPOSE to translate what is said.


We have Google today.

If we hear ," belgtou wtert qierw tm whae fas wedaq." We can punch it in to Google and the translation is, " Biblical tongues have ceased for today."
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That is because you have a secular understanding that the term interpretation has to do with being inspired to speak, not translating word for word as many think. This is a supernatural thing, not a carnal mind-set.
 
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Taylorj2 said:
To edify ourselves, but my question would be why did Paul pray in tongues more than the entire Corinthian church?
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Was Paul exaggerating to make a point?

For example, when he spoke about though he speak in tongues of angels.
It was exaggerating to make a point. That is because he also spoke about having faith to move a mountain. Which is obviously figurative.
 
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Taylorj2 said:
Okay, in Acts 2 yes, but what of the other times that people speak in tongues in the book of Acts and nobody was present to hear their language?
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Those are the problematic historical passages that need interpreting in light of clear doctrinal passages to head off wrong speculation.
 
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CS1 said:
true, but Tongues is.
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Claims Must Be Substantiated.

" Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

Are the miracles, wonders and signs of the Pentecostal movement been substantiated?

Be honest.
 
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wattie said:
When a cessationist says knowledge has ceased.. it's the gift of knowledge.. not general knowledge. The supernaturally empowered gift given.. not knowledge in general.

Just like the gift of tongues..wasn't just people speaking another language..but the super naturally empowered gift given.

The other thing is most cessationists say it just prophecy, tongues and knowledge gifts that ceased..just those 3...there are a number of others in the bible that continue. Faith hope and love being the 3 primary ones with others that were in the OT that continue.
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You just increased my knowledge base on really bad excuses for not believing in scripture. Not just anyone can do that cause I have heard all kinds of things. So, congratulations. Thanks also for clarifying the fact you are a cessationist. Took you awhile though.
 
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wolfwint said:
Well the Pentecostal and charismatics are almost unit in the question of the baptism with the Holy Spirit and the sign of speaking in tongues. But it the theology you can find all denominations and directions. F.e You can find calvinism teaching and menonite teaching, which is contrary to each other.
The Pentecostals and charismatics often dont agree with each other teachings.
You can find those with a serious, biblical teaching and those with unserious and non biblical teachings. From far right to far left.
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This needs to be translated. I know English is not your first language, but....
 
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Taylorj2 said:
If you are going to come with references, how about you choose theologians or scholars that approach it without presuppositions. Both of the references you gave are Cessationist and against the spiritual gifts being active today. Have you searched any spirit-filled theologians that speak on the gifts that have an opposite view? Also, what about Neutral theologians like N.T. Wright?
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True, but would they know where to look? :unsure: I mean if they refuse what the Bible says in very easy to understand language, I'm thinking the understanding must be darkened
 
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Blain said:
no I did my own research on it nowhere is there any records of pagan tongues in the corinthian church and especially not in scripture which we should take over books and commentaries
scholars theorize about it but no there is no actual records of such a thing happening
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Apparently you don't speak Cessie*. Those who do, understand that all knowledge has ceased and therefore, one must go outside of scripture and look for things that agree with your disbelief. It seems the Holy Spirit must always be left out when doing this kind of search.

* ceassationist version of tongues
 
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ocean said:
You just increased my knowledge base on really bad excuses for not believing in scripture. Not just anyone can do that cause I have heard all kinds of things. So, congratulations. Thanks also for clarifying the fact you are a cessationist. Took you awhile though.
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Well it's very common for a continuationist to say something like 'we have knowledge now, so it can't have ceased'

This is thinking about general knowledge rather than the gift of knowledge, which was quite different. It mischaracterises what cessationists teach.
 
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Babble was the confusion of languages; the people could not understand each other. So, aren't we still in a state of babble?

Paul had the gift of tongues... he spoke many languages. *shrug*
 
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