Concerning the gift of tongues

[Lamar]

When a gift in scripture has so many things written about it, and nothing about it ending, then it hasn't.
Those who don't believe it are practicing unbelief about things prophesied in the OT that will happen in the NT.
I feel sorry for people that, because most of them skip Acts 2 in their Bible studies because no one knows what to do with it.

The Corinthian church, known as the biggest abuser of the gifts, was disciplined by Paul for it, properly explaining to them how the gifts should be used.
Paul taught it to the church because the gifts belonged to the church. God wanted it that way & told Joel in the OT about it. That prophecy came true in Acts to 120 disciples, all types of christians with many different ministries.
When the Romans scattered this new church, they went everywhere preaching the Gospel with boldness.
It was unstoppable because the Giver of these gifts couldn't be forced to stop by any means.
To you unbelieving mockers, you won't stop it either.
I would that the Lord would judge between us & you so that you will learn not to blaspheme the gifts of God.
Imagine what our 2 cents will do with His anointing in the midst.

None of your 213 words addresses the core issue of the post, which is:

"the church speaking nonsense or just empty words but what does the gift have to do with the body of Christ"

Nothing that you wrote is evidence of current claims of supernatural gifts being akin to the events that occurred in the New Testament.

Pentecostals and their ilk are taking New Testament terms (tongues) and slapping them onto their empty babble. Thinking this is some biblical discourse proving their assertions. It is not.

Just as Roman Catholics use John 6:53-58 as a biblical discourse to label their transubstantiation as proof of a ongoing supernatural event, so too is your use of Acts 2.

Again, pointing to examples of tongues in the New Testament is not proof that your babble is real tongues.

 

[Lamar]

That's essentially the definition of "Theology".

I believe your theology even less.

 

[Blain]

None of your 213 words addresses the core issue of the post, which is:

"the church speaking nonsense or just empty words but what does the gift have to do with the body of Christ"

Nothing that you wrote is evidence of current claims of supernatural gifts being akin to the events that occurred in the New Testament.

Pentecostals and their ilk are taking New Testament terms (tongues) and slapping them onto their empty babble. Thinking this is some biblical discourse proving their assertions. It is not.

Just as Roman Catholics use John 6:53-58 as a biblical discourse to label their transubstantiation as proof of a ongoing supernatural event, so too is your use of Acts 2.

Again, pointing to examples of tongues in the New Testament is not proof that your babble is real tongues.

if the scriptures do not say it ended then it hasn't you haven't provided any evidence it is just babble but you expect evidence that it is the real thing, oh yes faith and not sight indeed.

 

[CS1]

None of your 213 words addresses the core issue of the post, which is:

"the church speaking nonsense or just empty words but what does the gift have to do with the body of Christ"

Nothing that you wrote is evidence of current claims of supernatural gifts being akin to the events that occurred in the New Testament.

Pentecostals and their ilk are taking New Testament terms (tongues) and slapping them onto their empty babble. Thinking this is some biblical discourse proving their assertions. It is not.

Just as Roman Catholics use John 6:53-58 as a biblical discourse to label their transubstantiation as proof of a ongoing supernatural event, so too is your use of Acts 2.

Again, pointing to examples of tongues in the New Testament is not proof that your babble is real tongues.

Actually, that is not the truth. You make assertions, but have no FACTS.

The core issue is


"the gift of tongues seems to be a misunderstood gift by many in the church speaking nonsense or just empty words but what does the gift have to do with the body of Christ? Anser: well, it is for the edifying and empowering of the believers."

"But it seems to be either a rare gift or just non existent."


You say the church is speaking nonsense, but what is your proof? It doesn't matter that medical doctors have provided legal statements concerning the unexplained healing of people in our fellowship and many others worldwide. You don't accept that because you are the self-proclaimed authority on everyone's experiences. You know all, so I guess we should kiss your ring? You mock and scoff, says one is doing empty babble? How do you know what I do, and what the other is, empty babble?

Transubstantiation is a false doctrine that is not contextual with the gifts of the Holy Spirit found in 1 Corinthians chapter 12 through 14.

Then you say show you, speak in tongues, record it, send me a video of a healing, etc, because you are the Department of Authentication. The DOA.


WE don't perform, or have to provide you with proof, it's the word of GOD. You believe it or not. In our fellowship, the word of God is confirmed. How?

27 professions of Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and followed Christ in obedience through water Baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Many received the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues, or prophesied the word of God.

Many marriages restored, addicts set free from drugs and perversion. Homosexuals repenting and transgender individuals returning to their God given identity from birth. Many healings. That is what I have seen in just one Sunday and weekend. I live in CA and we fight the good fight of faith in the public school system and have seen God's hand give many victories when many pastors of all denominations ran from CA to a more "Biblical; State."

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WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO TESTIFY ABOUT THIS PAST SUNDAY, OR DO YOU EVEN GO TO CHURCH?

I hear your mocking and scoffing. What report is that? What do you have that is praiseworthy? You talk the talk, what do you have to testify about for the glory of God?

 

[Blain]

Actually, that is not the truth. You make assertions, but have no FACTS.

The core issue is


"the gift of tongues seems to be a misunderstood gift by many in the church speaking nonsense or just empty words but what does the gift have to do with the body of Christ? Anser: well, it is for the edifying and empowering of the believers."

"But it seems to be either a rare gift or just non existent."


You say the church is speaking nonsense, but what is your proof? It doesn't matter that medical doctors have provided legal statements concerning the unexplained healing of people in our fellowship and many others worldwide. You don't accept that because you are the self-proclaimed authority on everyone's experiences. You know all, so I guess we should kiss your ring? You mock and scoff, says one is doing empty babble? How do you know what I do, and what the other is, empty babble?

Transubstantiation is a false doctrine that is not contextual with the gifts of the Holy Spirit found in 1 Corinthians chapter 12 through 14.

Then you say show you, speak in tongues, record it, send me a video of a healing, etc, because you are the Department of Authentication. The DOA.


WE don't perform, or have to provide you with proof, it's the word of GOD. You believe it or not. In our fellowship, the word of God is confirmed. How?

27 professions of Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and followed Christ in obedience through water Baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Many received the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues, or prophesied the word of God.

Many marriages restored, addicts set free from drugs and perversion. Homosexuals repenting and transgender individuals returning to their God given identity from birth. Many healings. That is what I have seen in just one Sunday and weekend. I live in CA and we fight the good fight of faith in the public school system and have seen God's hand give many victories when many pastors of all denominations ran from CA to a more "Biblical; State."

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WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO TESTIFY ABOUT THIS PAST SUNDAY, OR DO YOU EVEN GO TO CHURCH?

I hear your mocking and scoffing. What report is that? What do you have that is praiseworthy? You talk the talk, what do you have to testify about for the glory of God?

 

[ocean]

Well as a child my parents wondered whether I enjoyed the circus because I did not get very emotional. I have always been more meditative and logical. More like Paul than Peter. I hope you will grow beyond being judgmental on your part and allow for various personalities to be just as saved and good Christians as you.

Well let's see now. Paul was a Jewish zealot determined to kill Christians when and where he found them. He was on a murderous mission to end these so called Christians. Somehow I cannot picture someone like that as unemotional. I think you are out of touch with Paul actually. Try reading some of his epistles wherein he says things like he wishes the Judaizers would do a chop job on their equipment because they were trying to make new converts who were not Jewish, circumcise themselves.

He really gets pretty steamed up if you have bothered to read I Corinthians wherein he told the congregation at Corinth that the man sleeping with his father's wife, should be put out of the congregation and turned over to satan so the flesh would be destroyed, but the spirit saved. And many many more from Paul who apparently, was a very emotional and intense man.

You wish to identify with Paul but you are nothing like him whatsoever. smh

 

[ocean]

He was given the gift of the forgiveness of his debt.

That is not a miracle. Wakey wakey.

 

[ocean]

Imagine the most immature church Paul ever dealt with, "babes" he called them, yet many of them had real gifts to minister to real needs.

The worst NT baby church still makes us look bad.

Well, they were pretty bad. Jealousy, infighting, unruly gatherings, getting drunk at their suppers in remembrance of Christ, adultery and fornication etc. So there is hope. Having gifts does not assure maturity or people we should adhere to. Paul says that himself right in the first epistle to the Corinthians.

I like to quote Solomon: nothing new under the sun

 

[ocean]

Again, pointing to examples of tongues in the New Testament is not proof that your babble is real tongues.

For some reason you seem to believe you are omnipresent and omniscient. You have no clue how every person in every church speaks when speaking in an unknown tongue. You have more hot air going on than a hot air balloon.

No matter how much scripture is presented to you, you ignore it and continue on in your charade

 

[GWH]

Well let's see now. Paul was a Jewish zealot determined to kill Christians when and where he found them. He was on a murderous mission to end these so called Christians. Somehow I cannot picture someone like that as unemotional. I think you are out of touch with Paul actually. Try reading some of his epistles wherein he says things like he wishes the Judaizers would do a chop job on their equipment because they were trying to make new converts who were not Jewish, circumcise themselves.

He really gets pretty steamed up if you have bothered to read I Corinthians wherein he told the congregation at Corinth that the man sleeping with his father's wife, should be put out of the congregation and turned over to satan so the flesh would be destroyed, but the spirit saved. And many many more from Paul who apparently, was a very emotional and intense man.

You wish to identify with Paul but you are nothing like him whatsoever. smh

Yes, you cannot picture that a steamed-up Paul would have been casting stones rather than standing by
holding Stephen's Coat and who recommended excommunication rather than execution.
Try reading the 288 TOP in order to understand the mind of Paul, who had the mind of Christ per 1 Corinthians 3.

 

[Blain]

Yes, you cannot picture that a steamed-up Paul would have been casting stones rather than standing by
holding Stephen's Coat and who recommended excommunication rather than execution.
Try reading the 288 TOP in order to understand the mind of Paul, who had the mind of Christ per 1 Corinthians 3.

Paul was indeed a leading example of what we as believers should be and knowing you as long as I have I would say you are indeed like him in nature, I wonder who I am like in the bible I have always felt a connection with david he is perhaps the one I most feel akin to

 

[DJT_47]

That is what she said.

I don't think so. It was poorly worded if I recall, and if that's what she meant, I think she's contradicting herself and position taken. I think she meant she'll follow the bible and the bible says (in her opinion), "that which is perfect" infers 'till the end of the world. If I'm wrong, I do apologize.

 

[DJT_47]

We need a question mark smilie because your answer is devoid of sense. Did you also write your own Bible to go along with the commentary?

This response is devoid of sense! What did you mean and predicated upon what scripturally?

 

[DJT_47]

You explained your opinion. It would be better for you if you did not try to give the impression you are somehow privy to what Paul or anyone else that was his contemporary were thinking. While on the subject, it would also behoove you to grant the rest of us here in the forum, the same courtesy.

Just conceding dots (scripture), and basing conclusions upon the proper situations and timeframes, not taking things out of linear and logical context as most do. What do the scriptures say, to whom, when, and what were the issues present there at that time???

 

[GWH]

Paul was indeed a leading example of what we as believers should be and knowing you as long as I have I would say you are indeed like him in nature, I wonder who I am like in the bible I have always felt a connection with david he is perhaps the one I most feel akin to

Or perhaps like Philip, who shared his testimony with Nathanael (John 1:45-46) and in Samaria (Acts 8:5-8) and with the Ethiopean and others (Acts 8:26-40).

 

[Blain]

Just conceding dots (scripture), and basing conclusions upon the proper situations and timeframes, not taking things out of linear and logical context as most do. What do the scriptures say, to whom, when, and what were the issues present there at that time???

that is a good line of thinking perhaps you and ocean do not see eye to eye but I recognize your understanding

 

[Blain]

Or perhaps like Philip, who shared his testimony with Nathanael (John 1:45-46) and in Samaria (Acts 8:5-8) and with the Ethiopean and others (Acts 8:26-40).

I took a bible quiz of which character are you in the bible for fun it said I was like esther I don't know if those things are even accurate but it said I was caourages and had great faith

 

[Taylorj2]

I am scratching my head. Now, you may be asking me why I am doing such a thing? I see a lot of opinions being shared, but I see very few claims with scripture or credible sources being used.

 

[Blain]

I am scratching my head. Now, you may be asking me why I am doing such a thing? I see a lot of opinions being shared, but I see very few claims with scripture or credible sources being used.

in an earlier post this verse was made Romans 11:29 I think this verse basically proves the gifts have not ceased but this verse was ignored what do you make of it?

 

[Dino246]

I was looking for that verse I had a vague memory of it but couldn't quite recall

Usually a few words will get me there on BibleGateway, though I might have to try a couple of different translations.