CONFESSING YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS PLEASES GOD

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"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." John 6:28-29

Many fail to obey the gospel(Rom 10:16). Some take away from it, others add works to it. The work of God is in the gospel, for the work of redemption was completed by His blood. Believe and thou shall be saved(Acts 16:31).


 
Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
 
My fellow brethren, the next time you are falsely accused of promoting sin by the grace we believe in, arm yourself with the Word, for we grace believers strongly affirm:

"This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men." Titus 3:8
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Hey speaking of witch hunts, check out what Jimmy Swaggart wrote about 28 years ago. He noticed a similarity between what he called the Hyper-Faith movement and gnosticism. I just found this the other day, and discovered that he came to similar conclusions that I have about the similarities between the Hyper-Grace movement and gnosticism. And didn't Hyper-Grace evolve out of the word of faith movement? Swaggart mentions a connection with E. W. Kenyon, and I know Kenneth Hagin copied from Kenyon, and Prince was a follower of Hagin. It's all connected.

Frances & Friends | Hyper-Faith: New Gnosticism - Part I | Jimmy Swaggart
Frances & Friends | Hyper-Faith: New Gnosticism - Part II | Jimmy Swaggart
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I just realized that there's a part 3 also. Couldn't find it in the same format as the others. This one is a pdf of Swaggart's The Evangelist October 2014 issue.

> http://www.jsm.org/Evangelist/October2014.pdf
 
Grace777x70 said:

I also said that some elements have already been fulfilled after the cross and in our Lord's resurrection. Jesus said for the disciples to pray for the kingdom to come. The kingdom has come since the resurrection and day of Pentecost. The kingdom of God is in us now. He also said that to forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass us. Jesus said "Forgive them Father..."

Now in the new covenant we are forgiven by the blood of Jesus and because of that forgiveness we are forgiving. The Lord provides the forgiveness in the New Covenant first. In the Old Covenant - you had to forgive or you were not forgiven. It's the law in action and was still in place until Jesus died and rose from the grave to effect a new covenant in place build upon better promises.
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I am lying about grace7x77 saying the Lords prayer is old covenant.

But the above sentiments say exactly that. Yes the Kingdom of God has come to earth in His people, but it does not reign here nor is the Lords will being followed.
We are still to forgive people their sins against us, and in like manner the Lord will forgive our sins.

Now this whole discussion is just a way of distracting from the emphasis people put to Jesus words and what that means.
Some would rather say you are lying, rather than understand there are unresolvable differences of perspectives.

Now as much as you guys want to say I am lying about this or miss-representing things, you do not follow the basic principles and concepts in the sermon on the mount. You regard them as legalism. It is ludicrous to then say that is a miss-representation and then explaining how you do not take the words seriously. But for me the object is obvious, you could not be wrong, so I must be, and I must be evil and a slanderer.

What a strange world you live in, inventing your own morality and justifications and imagining everyone else is blinded to the beautiful truths you alone are privy to, and only hypocrites and pharisees would ever oppose you. All I can do is testify to the truth of Jesus's revelation and walk in His ways, Amen.
 
PeterJens said:
I am lying about grace7x77 saying the Lords prayer is old covenant.

But the above sentiments say exactly that. Yes the Kingdom of God has come to earth in His people, but it does not reign here nor is the Lords will being followed.
We are still to forgive people their sins against us, and in like manner the Lord will forgive our sins.

Now this whole discussion is just a way of distracting from the emphasis people put to Jesus words and what that means.
Some would rather say you are lying, rather than understand there are unresolvable differences of perspectives.

Now as much as you guys want to say I am lying about this or miss-representing things, you do not follow the basic principles and concepts in the sermon on the mount. You regard them as legalism. It is ludicrous to then say that is a miss-representation and then explaining how you do not take the words seriously. But for me the object is obvious, you could not be wrong, so I must be, and I must be evil and a slanderer.

What a strange world you live in, inventing your own morality and justifications and imagining everyone else is blinded to the beautiful truths you alone are privy to, and only hypocrites and pharisees would ever oppose you. All I can do is testify to the truth of Jesus's revelation and walk in His ways, Amen.
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thepsalmist said:
Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you

Quoting scripture is a good thing, if it agrees with your position.

Jesus commands us to "Love our enemies", to "Love one another as I have loved you", to "Love God with all our soul, heart and strength", to "Love our neighbours as we love ourselves",
to not sin, but walk in the Spirit, so amen.

I am glad we are all in agreement with Jesus, hallelujah, Praise the Lord, that He has set us free from the bondage of sin and made us slaves to righteousness.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Fruit of the spirit includes teaching correct doctrine. Without it we are lost. Teaching that the lord's prayer (or some part of it) is not for new covenant believers is not correct doctrine, and not of the spirit of GOD.
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There is a simple principle of heirarchy in scriptural interpretation. Jesus's words take priority. He is our Lord.
One phrase that is confusing is in

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matt 5:18

If this is true we are under the law, have to be Jews, with temple sacrifice and following the law of Moses.
Pauls argument is the law was fully accomplished in the cross, so we are now free.

But this is the only interpretation that makes sense, else Paul and the apostles would be wrong.

But Paul adds something else. We are slaves to righteousness, or as Peter/John put it, we follow the moral law, or the precepts of love and do not sin, because His Spirit is at work in us.

Now this is the reality. Jesus's words take precedence. Being a slave to righteousness is having love rule in your heart.
What is odd is knowing emotional reality is the thing that dominates. If we are in rebellion everything that flows from this is our focus, and we see everyone in this light. When we walk in love and forgiveness, suddenly everyone and everything looks different. If you have ever had this experience, your realise how much of life is governed by the spirit you walk in and what you put as most important. Faith is our anchor, upon this we choose how to view the world and walk.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Why share this?
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So that people can have the complete article. Check out what I read in part 3. This sounds exactly like what we've heard taught here so many times by Hyper-Grace believers (false grace). They poo-poo me for comparing what they believe with Christian gnostic beliefs, yet Swaggart does the same thing. Here Swaggart is comparing hyper-faith believers type of confession with the Christian gnostics repetition of words to achieve a certain state of mind. Looks like Hyper-Grace is just a continued manifestation of this spirit.

Within the hyper-faith teaching, nothing is incomplete. We are even told that the prayer of repentance and forgiveness is not for the modern-day saint, and no Christian should ever confess sin, as one generally does. Some teach that a confession of sin should be replaced by a confession of who the believer is — a new creation in Christ. This is somehow supposed to erase the slip into sin consciousness.​
 
This sounds exactly like what we've heard taught hear.

From > Hyper-Faith: New Gnosticism - Part 3 | Jimmy Swaggart (pdf)

If you will notice, their leaders seldom preach against any kind of sin. There is little said about it because (they say) it will cause people to have a “sin consciousness.” Not surprisingly, they don’t really believe in conviction either. They suggest that conviction is really condemnation. ​
 
There has been much false accusations about what grace believers really believe as people will "twist" what is being said. Here is an article that talks about the so-called hyper grace belief in confession ( the term hyper-grace was given by Dr. Brown )

Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession

“Hyper-grace preachers say it’s wrong to confess sins. They say confession is a form of unbelief.” Actually, every hyper-grace preacher believes in the power of confession. We say things like, “confession is good for you,” and “confession is healthy.”

But what is confession?

Like the word repentance, confession is a word that has been mangled in the machinery of manmade religion. Instead of bringing healing to the hurting and life to the dead, confession is seen as the cost of admission into the house of grace. “You wanna be clean? Then ‘fess up you miserable sinner! Tell God your dirty little secrets.” But that’s not what confession is.

To confess literally means to agree with or say the same thing as another. Biblical confession is agreeing with God. It’s verbalizing faith in His goodness and acknowledging your dependence upon Him (Rom. 10:9–10). It’s saying, “God, I believe You are faithful and true and will do all that You promised.”

But some people have a different definition of confession. They think confession is something you must do to make yourself clean, righteous, and forgiven. “I have to review all my sins to receive forgiveness.” This is a dead work. Confessing-to-be-forgiven is like washing with dirty water. No matter how hard you scrub you won’t make yourself clean.

Faithless confession puts the focus on you and what you have done, but faith-based confession puts the focus on Christ and what He has done on your behalf.

Does that mean we should never confess or that it’s wrong to confess our sins? Not at all. Biblical confession is good for you. It will help you to walk in the grace that God has provided…

One of the clearest descriptions of confession comes from Max Lucado:

Confession is not complaining. If I merely recite my problems and rehash my woes, I’m whining … Confession is so much more.

Confession is a radical reliance on grace. A proclamation of our trust in God’s goodness. “What I did was bad,” we acknowledge, “but your grace is greater than my sin, so I confess it.” If our understanding of grace is small, our confession will be small: reluctant, hesitant, hedged with excuses and qualifications, full of fear of punishment. But great grace creates an honest confession. (Grace, p.83)

We don’t repent and confess to get God to forgive us. We repent and confess because God has forgiven us. Your repentance and confession won’t change God, but it will surely change you. It will help you receive God’s life-changing grace. As Clark Whitten says, “Confession is for my healing, not for God’s forgiveness.”

Those who don’t understand this may point to 1 John 1:9 which seems to say God’s forgiveness is contingent upon our confession of sins.

This scripture is so widely misunderstood that it gets mentioned in just about every book on grace. To paraphrase Andrew Farley, John cannot be saying God forgives us on account of our confession because just a few verses later he says we are already forgiven on account of Jesus’ name.

When you sin it takes no faith to beat yourself up and agree with the Accuser who calls you a sinner. It takes faith to look at the cross and say, “Thank you, Jesus, for carrying all my sin.”

It takes faith to praise your Father for His superabounding grace that is greater than your transgression. And it takes faith to agree with the Holy Spirit who says, despite what you did, you are still righteous, acceptable, and pleasing to God.

I use this website because he tackles the obscure scriptures as well as answers the false accusations against the grace of Christ. The comments on the bottom of the article are great as people ask questions.

Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession – Escape to Reality
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
This sounds exactly like what we've heard taught hear.

From > Hyper-Faith: New Gnosticism - Part 3 | Jimmy Swaggart (pdf)
If you will notice, their leaders seldom preach against any kind of sin. There is little said about it because (they say) it will cause people to have a “sin consciousness.” Not surprisingly, they don’t really believe in conviction either. They suggest that conviction is really condemnation.
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well praise God. No one here would do this. In fact I have seen everyone speak of sin, and how God convicts them through the heart when they struggle wiht areas.

By the way, Who said Jimmy Swaggart was a reputable person anyway??

Why do you always have to go to other people. and not just the word of God?
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
So that people can have the complete article. Check out what I read in part 3. This sounds exactly like what we've heard taught here so many times by Hyper-Grace believers (false grace). They poo-poo me for comparing what they believe with Christian gnostic beliefs, yet Swaggart does the same thing. Here Swaggart is comparing hyper-faith believers type of confession with the Christian gnostics repetition of words to achieve a certain state of mind. Looks like Hyper-Grace is just a continued manifestation of this spirit.
Within the hyper-faith teaching, nothing is incomplete. We are even told that the prayer of repentance and forgiveness is not for the modern-day saint, and no Christian should ever confess sin, as one generally does. Some teach that a confession of sin should be replaced by a confession of who the believer is — a new creation in Christ. This is somehow supposed to erase the slip into sin consciousness.​
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Do you also believe in gnomes?
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Grace777x70 said:
There has been much false accusations about what grace believers really believe as people will "twist" what is being said. Here is an article that talks about the so-called hyper grace belief in confession ( the term hyper-grace was given by Dr. Brown )

Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession

“Hyper-grace preachers say it’s wrong to confess sins. They say confession is a form of unbelief.” Actually, every hyper-grace preacher believes in the power of confession. We say things like, “confession is good for you,” and “confession is healthy.”

But what is confession?

Like the word repentance, confession is a word that has been mangled in the machinery of manmade religion. Instead of bringing healing to the hurting and life to the dead, confession is seen as the cost of admission into the house of grace. “You wanna be clean? Then ‘fess up you miserable sinner! Tell God your dirty little secrets.” But that’s not what confession is.

To confess literally means to agree with or say the same thing as another. Biblical confession is agreeing with God. It’s verbalizing faith in His goodness and acknowledging your dependence upon Him (Rom. 10:9–10). It’s saying, “God, I believe You are faithful and true and will do all that You promised.”

But some people have a different definition of confession. They think confession is something you must do to make yourself clean, righteous, and forgiven. “I have to review all my sins to receive forgiveness.” This is a dead work. Confessing-to-be-forgiven is like washing with dirty water. No matter how hard you scrub you won’t make yourself clean.

Faithless confession puts the focus on you and what you have done, but faith-based confession puts the focus on Christ and what He has done on your behalf.

Does that mean we should never confess or that it’s wrong to confess our sins? Not at all. Biblical confession is good for you. It will help you to walk in the grace that God has provided…

One of the clearest descriptions of confession comes from Max Lucado:

Confession is not complaining. If I merely recite my problems and rehash my woes, I’m whining … Confession is so much more.

Confession is a radical reliance on grace. A proclamation of our trust in God’s goodness. “What I did was bad,” we acknowledge, “but your grace is greater than my sin, so I confess it.” If our understanding of grace is small, our confession will be small: reluctant, hesitant, hedged with excuses and qualifications, full of fear of punishment. But great grace creates an honest confession. (Grace, p.83)

We don’t repent and confess to get God to forgive us. We repent and confess because God has forgiven us. Your repentance and confession won’t change God, but it will surely change you. It will help you receive God’s life-changing grace. As Clark Whitten says, “Confession is for my healing, not for God’s forgiveness.”

Those who don’t understand this may point to 1 John 1:9 which seems to say God’s forgiveness is contingent upon our confession of sins.

This scripture is so widely misunderstood that it gets mentioned in just about every book on grace. To paraphrase Andrew Farley, John cannot be saying God forgives us on account of our confession because just a few verses later he says we are already forgiven on account of Jesus’ name.

When you sin it takes no faith to beat yourself up and agree with the Accuser who calls you a sinner. It takes faith to look at the cross and say, “Thank you, Jesus, for carrying all my sin.”

It takes faith to praise your Father for His superabounding grace that is greater than your transgression. And it takes faith to agree with the Holy Spirit who says, despite what you did, you are still righteous, acceptable, and pleasing to God.

I use this website because he tackles the obscure scriptures as well as answers the false accusations against the grace of Christ. The comments on the bottom of the article are great as people ask questions.

Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession – Escape to Reality
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This needs repped and I am unable!

Good work, Grace777 -- I admire your dedication, sincerity, and wisdom.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
This needs repped and I am unable!

Good work, Grace777 -- I admire your dedication, sincerity, and wisdom.
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Knowing the awesome truth of our Lord's great salvation makes us want to run to the throne of grace and confess and talk about everything in our lives - in faith believing in what our Lord Jesus already has done for us in redeeming us with His blood. We have a New Covenant build upon better promises and Jesus is our representative.

He is our righteousness and life! We love to confess these truths! It brings honor and glory to our Lord Jesus Christ and it pleases the Father.
 
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