Did Adam sin brought Physical or Spiritual death???

[Moses_Young]

See how this doctrine of spiritual death belittle the death of Christ.

1. Buried with him- when was Jesus buried??? Were you alive at that time?
2. Quickened with him- were quickened with him at that time.

Understanding that death came in, is one of the key.
Adam live 930 years but could have lived forever.
Death came in so he died.
Again going back to basic.
Body dies return to dust.
Spirit return to God.
Adam sin and he died...its not spiritual separation...he actually died.
1. Christ taste death for everyman, and through baptism we are (poetry) buried with him.
2. Christ - 1Co 15:45 KJV And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit...
Christ died because his body was made of flesh...
He was made a quickening spirit when he raised from the dead.
We will also be quickened at his coming.
1Co 15:44 KJV It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

You misunderstand the meaning of spiritual death. Define it, and I'm sure we will agree. But spiritual death does not mean the absence of spirit, it means the separation of the spirit from God.

 

[Lightskin]

What support do you have for spiritual death?

The unmitigated fact that we need Jesus to obtain eternal life.

 

[watcher2013]

You misunderstand the meaning of spiritual death. Define it, and I'm sure we will agree. But spiritual death does not mean the absence of spirit, it means the separation of the spirit from God.

I cannot define you spiritual death...because there is nothing to define it....
Its a myth...

 

[pottersclay]

Both.....they found there selves naked .....and Adam died

 

[watcher2013]

You misunderstand the meaning of spiritual death. Define it, and I'm sure we will agree. But spiritual death does not mean the absence of spirit, it means the separation of the spirit from God.

Since you define it...let me ask you...what do you mean separation of spirit from God?

 

[watcher2013]

Both.....they found there selves naked .....and Adam died

Christ died physically...
Did he also died spiritually?

 

[watcher2013]

The unmitigated fact that we need Jesus to obtain eternal life.

Jesus died physically, Did he also died spiritually?

 

[Moses_Young]

I cannot define you spiritual death...because there is nothing to define it....
Its a myth...

You do realise that you are committing the No True Scotsman logical fallacy by predefining spiritual death as a myth? You can't debate something you can define, therefore it is a logical absurdity to try.

Since you define it...let me ask you...what do you mean separation of spirit from God?

The spirit being under God's delayed judgement. Not having the direct fellowship that it was designed to have.

 

[Lightskin]

Jesus died physically, Did he also died spiritually?

He unlike you and me is the Author of Life, therefore He did not die spiritually, but you and I would do so if it were not for Jesus Christ.

 

[watcher2013]

He unlike you and me is the Author of Life, therefore He did not die spiritually, but you and I would do so if it were not for Jesus Christ.

Then he did not save your spiritual (death).

 

[Lightskin]

Then he did not save your spiritual (death).

He most certainly did.
Thanks for playing, scooter.

 

[watcher2013]

You do realise that you are committing the No True Scotsman logical fallacy by predefining spiritual death as a myth? You can't debate something you can define, therefore it is a logical absurdity to try.

The spirit being under God's delayed judgement. Not having the direct fellowship that it was designed to have.

Like a debate between atheist and believer?...
The other proving something exist.

Judgement of the wicked is at the great white throne...all wicked...

What delaying judgement???

 

[watcher2013]

He most certainly did.
Thanks for playing, scooter.

I hope you understand the point.

 

[pottersclay]

Christ died physically...
Did he also died spiritually?

No he was and is clothed in righteousness.
Anything born of flesh will die physically......for it is appointed for man once to die.

 

[Lightskin]

I hope you understand the point.

I understand if you have faith in Jesus Christ you have salvation. Every other discussion, debate and argument under the sun is moot.

 

[watcher2013]

No he was and is clothed in righteousness.
Anything born of flesh will die physically......for it is appointed for man once to die.

Anything born in the flesh of flesh will die physically......exactly...
Was anyone born with apiritual body?

 

[watcher2013]

I understand if you have faith in Jesus Christ you have salvation. Every other discussion, debate and argument under the sun is moot.

And to have faith is to accept and believed that Jesus died physically and was raised incorruptible...

 

[Sipsey]

The phrase “you shall surely die” can be literally translated from the Hebrew biblical text as “dying you shall die.” In the Hebrew phrase we find the imperfect form of the Hebrew verb (you shall die) with the infinitive absolute form of the same verb (dying). This presence of the infinitive absolute intensifies the meaning of the imperfect verb (hence the usual translation of “you shall surely die”). This grammatical construction is quite common in the Old Testament, not just with this verb but others also, and does indicate (or intensify) the certainty of the action. The scholarly reference work by Bruce K. Waltke and M. O’Conner, An Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax (Winona Lake: Eisenbrauns, 1990), gives many Biblical examples of this,1 and they say that “the precise nuance of intensification [of the verbal meaning] must be discovered from the broader context.”2 Clearly in the context of Genesis 3, Adam and Eve died spiritually instantly—they were separated from God and hid themselves. Their relationship with God was broken. But in Romans 5:12 we see in context that Paul is clearly speaking of physical death (Jesus’ physical death, verses 8–10, and other men’s physical death, in verse 14). We also find the same comparison of physical death and physical resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:20–22. So both spiritual death and physical death are the consequences of Adam’s fall.

 

[John146]

The phrase “you shall surely die” can be literally translated from the Hebrew biblical text as “dying you shall die.” In the Hebrew phrase we find the imperfect form of the Hebrew verb (you shall die) with the infinitive absolute form of the same verb (dying). This presence of the infinitive absolute intensifies the meaning of the imperfect verb (hence the usual translation of “you shall surely die”). This grammatical construction is quite common in the Old Testament, not just with this verb but others also, and does indicate (or intensify) the certainty of the action. The scholarly reference work by Bruce K. Waltke and M. O’Conner, An Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax (Winona Lake: Eisenbrauns, 1990), gives many Biblical examples of this,1 and they say that “the precise nuance of intensification [of the verbal meaning] must be discovered from the broader context.”2 Clearly in the context of Genesis 3, Adam and Eve died spiritually instantly—they were separated from God and hid themselves. Their relationship with God was broken. But in Romans 5:12 we see in context that Paul is clearly speaking of physical death (Jesus’ physical death, verses 8–10, and other men’s physical death, in verse 14). We also find the same comparison of physical death and physical resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:20–22. So both spiritual death and physical death are the consequences of Adam’s fall.

If their spirit died, the body would have died instantly. The spirit is what keeps the body alive.

 

[watcher2013]

The phrase “you shall surely die” can be literally translated from the Hebrew biblical text as “dying you shall die.” In the Hebrew phrase we find the imperfect form of the Hebrew verb (you shall die) with the infinitive absolute form of the same verb (dying). This presence of the infinitive absolute intensifies the meaning of the imperfect verb (hence the usual translation of “you shall surely die”). This grammatical construction is quite common in the Old Testament, not just with this verb but others also, and does indicate (or intensify) the certainty of the action. The scholarly reference work by Bruce K. Waltke and M. O’Conner, An Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax (Winona Lake: Eisenbrauns, 1990), gives many Biblical examples of this,1 and they say that “the precise nuance of intensification [of the verbal meaning] must be discovered from the broader context.”2 Clearly in the context of Genesis 3, Adam and Eve died spiritually instantly—they were separated from God and hid themselves. Their relationship with God was broken. But in Romans 5:12 we see in context that Paul is clearly speaking of physical death (Jesus’ physical death, verses 8–10, and other men’s physical death, in verse 14). We also find the same comparison of physical death and physical resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:20–22. So both spiritual death and physical death are the consequences of Adam’s fall.

Rom 5:8 KJV But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

God on the other hand commanded his love toward us....WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS