Did God plan for man to fall to prove something to Satan and his angels?
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Yeah the point remains Either God planned to grove his own heart and repent himself for creating us ……or it just means what it says when he blames man for corrupting creation it’s because man corrupted the good creation he gave them
Either this was gods plan all along
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
Genesis 6:5-7 KJV
The argument that This is Gods plan and will doesn’t make any sense …. To me anyways the terms grieved and repent sort of don’t fit that theory and then also
God doesn’t do something and then blame and punish us for it when it’s his Will and plan and doing . God didn’t create us to be his scapegoats
“And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.”
Genesis 6:12 KJV
Not something God did but something mankind did through the flesh
“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:13
Gods plan was to create everything then cause man to sin and corrupt everything , blame us for it all then destroy and punish those he created and willed to do all this ???
or did mankind corrupt the lords way upon the earth and fill the earth with wickedness and violence ? And then it repented him because of what we had become and he decided to destroy mankind and all flesh with the earth ?
it seems like that theory has a lot of holes but it’s only my opinion . I believe mankinds will eas corrupted by the devil and is the reason creation fell.
Not that God planned to grieve his own heart by creating a good world , purposing and willing for man to corrupt it , blaming them for it ,repenting himself for the part of creating mankind and putting them in charge of the earth and finally destroying them all but a few because he willed that they do all this ……
I’ve read Paul’s letters I don’t believe that he is saying anywhere in then that Gods Will is that mankind sins even from the first commandment it’s very clear bivouac Gods Will is that man doesn’t sin and die from “thou shalt not eat the fruit …you’ll surely die “ to thou shalt not kill , and anyone who kills a man must surely be put to death “
When God tells man “ thou shalt not do this thing “ he’s expressing his Will to them. What he teaches man to do and not do is an expression and extension of his Will for us.
It isn’t that God wants us to sin so we sin and then God wants us to be righteous so we’re righteous his Will isn’t like that he’s incorporated mankind’s agency from the very beginning giving us dominion upon earth .
He communicates with man what his Will is then we either accept and believe him or we reject and deny him
Either this was gods plan all along
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
Genesis 6:5-7 KJV
The argument that This is Gods plan and will doesn’t make any sense …. To me anyways the terms grieved and repent sort of don’t fit that theory and then also
God doesn’t do something and then blame and punish us for it when it’s his Will and plan and doing . God didn’t create us to be his scapegoats
“And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.”
Genesis 6:12 KJV
Not something God did but something mankind did through the flesh
“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:13
Gods plan was to create everything then cause man to sin and corrupt everything , blame us for it all then destroy and punish those he created and willed to do all this ???
or did mankind corrupt the lords way upon the earth and fill the earth with wickedness and violence ? And then it repented him because of what we had become and he decided to destroy mankind and all flesh with the earth ?
it seems like that theory has a lot of holes but it’s only my opinion . I believe mankinds will eas corrupted by the devil and is the reason creation fell.
Not that God planned to grieve his own heart by creating a good world , purposing and willing for man to corrupt it , blaming them for it ,repenting himself for the part of creating mankind and putting them in charge of the earth and finally destroying them all but a few because he willed that they do all this ……
I’ve read Paul’s letters I don’t believe that he is saying anywhere in then that Gods Will is that mankind sins even from the first commandment it’s very clear bivouac Gods Will is that man doesn’t sin and die from “thou shalt not eat the fruit …you’ll surely die “ to thou shalt not kill , and anyone who kills a man must surely be put to death “
When God tells man “ thou shalt not do this thing “ he’s expressing his Will to them. What he teaches man to do and not do is an expression and extension of his Will for us.
It isn’t that God wants us to sin so we sin and then God wants us to be righteous so we’re righteous his Will isn’t like that he’s incorporated mankind’s agency from the very beginning giving us dominion upon earth .
He communicates with man what his Will is then we either accept and believe him or we reject and deny him
Your man made theology has God learning from His creature, He looked from without Himself, saw what He creatures would do, then formulated a counter measure. God in your warped view had counsellors Rom 11:34
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Isa 40:13
Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him?
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Isa 40:13
Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him?
God doesnt consult outside of Himself to form His Eternal resolutions as it pertained to anything, especially Salvation which brings Him the Highest Glory
Rev 7:9-12
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
And you say this came from God seeing what adam was going to do and sin, Oh no Adam sinned because God had purposed him to in pursuits of His own Glory and Honour !
Rev 7:9-12
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
And you say this came from God seeing what adam was going to do and sin, Oh no Adam sinned because God had purposed him to in pursuits of His own Glory and Honour !
Yes, God created theoretical evil or the possibility of rejecting rather than reflecting His love as an option that actualizes MFW/free human personality. As such it is necessary and even good (Gen. 1:31). Of course, it was wrong for Satan (1John 3:8) and humanity (Rom. 5:12) to make evil actual by ignoring God’s Word/choosing to Sin/disbelieving in God’s Lordship.