Did Jesus fail????

[eternally-gratefull]

While do not like JP at all, for much bigger things than this, perhaps this statement is taken out of context?

I do not think we are instantly perfected. Justified positionally, of course! But the process of breaking free from sin and sinful thoughts is a journey and a process. When I was saved, God took drinking and drunkenness totally away from me. I have never had another single thought about liquor, except not understanding why people would drink, and the journey not to condemn Christians who do. This is sanctification!

Other things, God has lead me slowly! Some things I did not even know were sin! I was a pagan as far as God's expectations. But the Holy Spirit kept showing me the way I needed to go, in his Word and in my heart! My temper took me 30 years to get under control. I have to be pretty sick and in pain to lose it, and the last week, although I cried bitterly one night the pain was so excruciating, I did not get angry or blame God. In fact, I testify in health forums all the time to the peace God has given me in spite of the pain and the increasingly deformed joints.

If JP is saying God is working on us, as we walk with him. I have no objections to his statement. If he thinks we can never change, (and I very much doubt that!) then perhaps this is right. I am not going to read JP's books to find out, but it would behoove all posters to check out the context of the statements they are posting, before they use it.

I am not just talking about this thread, but many others!

sadly when all your doing is looking for something to attack, You are blinded and look for little points which you think you can bash..

Been going on by certain people in CC for quite a few months now.

 

[Demi777]

care to share?

I have alot of teachers I can not stand Not that they do not teach truth, Just I do not like the way they speak.

I dont even know why lol. I saw Joseph and I immediately felt like a disgusted cringe. Like the first time I saw Joel Osteen. The preaching he did in that was good but I had to turn it off because his presence just makes me sick. and after researching and seeing (osteen) more I found why I was so sick of him lol... Just happens at times.. And every time I think I am too sensitive and ignore it I end up finding I was right in the first instance anyhow.

 

[valiant]

Actually Mr. Princes and "hyper grace" followers are many in these forums, and they constantly copy paste his teachings and post his videos in the forums, which I why I believe it is needful to expose their false doctrine so babes in Christ do not get led astray by this "easy believism" doctrine that twists and perverts the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

tell me. do you still have sinful thoughts now and again? If so you are a hypocrite. If not you are a liar.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Ya see.... the thing here is that we have all read most of your posts, and we know some things about you

Here is the problem with people like ISIT and his continued attacks against other people.

The OP is full of nonsense and malice and slander ! The OP has no idea what this man of God is actually saying.

It's probably best to stay out of these garbage types of threads which the OP just loves to do to malign others in the body of Christ.

Above is an example of the tactics of the followers of Joseph Prince and the "hyper grace" doctrine. Since they cannot refute the words of Jesus which prove their false teacher wrong they often resort to slander, malice, false accusations and personal attacks on the person (me) who exposes their leaders false doctrine. Be not ignorant of their tactics and what "spirit" drives these personal attacks.

 

[Demi777]

Same here, it does not take long to know a false teacher from a true if one has the Word and Spirit of God working in them. Anyone who speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ is not of God's Spirit.

I wil not damn him evil, he does have a strong gift of evangelizing..though like most big ministries hes infiltrated bigtime and to the degree Id not want him around me. I just last sunday had a lady just go crazy about him.. Like a idol she was nuts after him and his preaching etc. and I was just like...uhuh

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I dont even know why lol. I saw Joseph and I immediately felt like a disgusted cringe. Like the first time I saw Joel Osteen. The preaching he did in that was good but I had to turn it off because his presence just makes me sick. and after researching and seeing more I found why I was so sick of him lol... Just happens at times.. And every time I think I am too sensitive and ignore it I end up finding I was right in the first instance anyhow.

its all good. There are people that do this to me, Lately any preacher who seems to preach in king jimmyeze "I have wondered for years if they actually teach this in college" makes me cringe and i have to turn them off..lol

I have not listened to Joseph prince, or even read any of his writtings, well except for what people post here.. The problem I have is people over and over use his words against hi, then when you investigate further, you find the people who are attacking him took him out of context. and are wasting there, and our time, because they are falsly accusing someone who can not even defend himself.

To me, that is not Christ like.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Above is an example of the tactics of the followers of Joseph Prince and the "hyper grace" doctrine. Since they cannot refute the words of Jesus which prove their false teacher wrong they often resort to slander, malice, false accusations and personal attacks on the person (me) who exposes their leaders false doctrine. Be not ignorant of their tactics and what "spirit" drives these personal attacks.

we already refuted your words in this very op.

You said JP was wrong because he said Jesus did not die so we can stop sin.. It has been proven, and should be logical to everyone, the only way to make this statment a fact is if we were all sinless. Because if Jesus died so we can stop sin, and we still sin < JESUS FAILED!!!!

As we all can plainly see, You refused to respond to our response to your actual op. And instead only respond to other things.

But hey, thats ok, Everyone else saw everything we wrote. and know what we really said.

 

[Demi777]

its all good. There are people that do this to me, Lately any preacher who seems to preach in king jimmyeze "I have wondered for years if they actually teach this in college" makes me cringe and i have to turn them off..lol

I have not listened to Joseph prince, or even read any of his writtings, well except for what people post here.. The problem I have is people over and over use his words against hi, then when you investigate further, you find the people who are attacking him took him out of context. and are wasting there, and our time, because they are falsly accusing someone who can not even defend himself.

To me, that is not Christ like.

Well most of the time I find that I agree with the doctrines people rebuke the most, and disagree with what people love the most (like OSAS). If I had listened to his full preaching I would maybe pinpoint things but as I havent, I wont. Just I can say that he will not anytime soon be one of my choices.

 

[Angela53510]

My thought is that if someone doesn't like the OP, and they have seen and heard it all before, maybe it is time to turn the other cheek for the 777th time, and walk away from this discussion. Or any other thread they do not like, and have answered many times before!

This applies to everyone. Bickering comes from trying to prove you are right. If a simple post on the first thread someone posted about a topic you do not like did not convince the OP to change their minds, what good is constantly answering back, rehashing the same stuff over and over?

I think it is time we self police (meaning ourselves, not others) and try to make this whole forum more Christ-like. As for whipping the money changers, I'm inclined to leave that to Jesus to do!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

tell me. do you still have sinful thoughts now and again? If so you are a hypocrite. If not you are a liar.

Again the OP is not about me, but what Jesus said is true. What I am, and what you are does not make the words of Jesus Christ any less true, but evidently many think they do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wil not damn him evil, he does have a strong gift of evangelizing..though like most big ministries hes infiltrated bigtime and to the degree Id not want him around me. I just last sunday had a lady just go crazy about him.. Like a idol she was nuts after him and his preaching etc. and I was just like...uhuh

Thats why I try to stay away from TV evangelists..

People tried to follow men in the OT too..

I am of appolos, I am of peter. I am of paul, even some the old winner, I am of christ.

lol

let stick to the word. Not people.. I think we would be better off.

 

[Demi777]

You guys need some cookies and coffee right there with all em attacks rising up

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My thought is that if someone doesn't like the OP, and they have seen and heard it all before, maybe it is time to turn the other cheek for the 777th time, and walk away from this discussion. Or any other thread they do not like, and have answered many times before!

This applies to everyone. Bickering comes from trying to prove you are right. If a simple post on the first thread someone posted about a topic you do not like did not convince the OP to change their minds, what good is constantly answering back, rehashing the same stuff over and over?

I think it is time we self police (meaning ourselves, not others) and try to make this whole forum more Christ-like. As for whipping the money changers, I'm inclined to leave that to Jesus to do!

I think it is time for these threads, and other like it, to disappear

this is supposed to be a bible discussion forum,

Not a Joseph Prince, hebrew roots, kjv only discussion forum..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You guys need some cookies and coffee right there with all em attacks rising up

sorry sis, Some of us are getting sick of all the nonsense,

 

[Demi777]

Thats why I try to stay away from TV evangelists..

People tried to follow men in the OT too..

I am of appolos, I am of peter. I am of paul, even some the old winner, I am of christ.

lol

let stick to the word. Not people.. I think we would be better off.

It generally annoys me when people quote pastors instead of God. Ive had people try to force me into false doctrine with the ''even pastor so and so said so!'' and Im just thinking ''its not the word of a pastor that is a two edged sword...its Gods word.. I serve God..not man'' .
Only when people start learning to stop serving man and themselves they can see Christs face. Its hard in the society nowadays but it is the truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You guys need some cookies and coffee right there with all em attacks rising up

but please. Cookies and coffee sound great! I could use some

 

[Willie-T]

I dont even know why lol. I saw Joseph and I immediately felt like a disgusted cringe. Like the first time I saw Joel Osteen. The preaching he did in that was good but I had to turn it off because his presence just makes me sick. and after researching and seeing (osteen) more I found why I was so sick of him lol... Just happens at times.. And every time I think I am too sensitive and ignore it I end up finding I was right in the first instance anyhow.

I completely agree with you about watching him preach... But, I find his books absolutely fantastic. You ever read any? If you want to, let me know. I have several I can e-mail you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It generally annoys me when people quote pastors instead of God. Ive had people try to force me into false doctrine with the ''even pastor so and so said so!'' and Im just thinking ''its not the word of a pastor that is a two edged sword...its Gods word.. I serve God..not man'' .
Only when people start learning to stop serving man and themselves they can see Christs face. Its hard in the society nowadays but it is the truth.

I agree, I have asked at least one person to please stop quoting a person, or posting videos of him, But he says people thank him for posting those things, so he will not stop because of a few accusers..

I still say it would be easier to just say what we mean, Not post other people words.. It would stop most of these fights.

 

[Demi777]

I completely agree with you about watching him preach... But, I find his books absolutely fantastic. You ever read any? If you want to' let me know. I have several I can e-mail you.

Havent read a book of him so far. what books do you have tat u can send me?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree, I have asked at least one person to please stop quoting a person, or posting videos of him, But he says people thank him for posting those things, so he will not stop because of a few accusers..

I still say it would be easier to just say what we mean, Not post other people words.. It would stop most of these fights.

As I think if it, I think it is funny, The people can not refute the people in CC.. so they have to rely on attacking who they quote in an attempt to discredit them. Its sad.

I am sure if I read or watch JP I would not like everything he said,, I hear he is prosperity focused, I do not know if that is true, if it is, I would disagree 100%, But that does not mean I think he has a false gospel.