Did Jesus fail????
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Those pesky words of God eh? LOL
anyone can throw scripture around, It does not make you right..
But we digress.. You just proved my point..
You do not tell people what you believe, or answer questions, all you do is throw scripture around. and either
1. Assume you have the correct interpretation
or
2. Assume we know what you mean (when you are being deceitful and people ask you what you mean by that scripture, but refuse to answer..
And again, you respond with obfuscation.
Entrap and ensnare? Your own words and actions do that.
Accusations? You're the one who accuses Joseph Prince of being your enemy and you have pointed to Luke 6:27-28 as your motivation to pray for him. Luke 6:27-28 indicates that your enemies are those who curse you and those who despitefully use you.
When has Joseph Prince cursed you?
When has Joseph Prince despitefully used you?
Entrap and ensnare? Your own words and actions do that.
Accusations? You're the one who accuses Joseph Prince of being your enemy and you have pointed to Luke 6:27-28 as your motivation to pray for him. Luke 6:27-28 indicates that your enemies are those who curse you and those who despitefully use you.
When has Joseph Prince cursed you?
When has Joseph Prince despitefully used you?
Those pesky words of God eh? LOL
Yes, those words of God that you continue to misinterpret and misapply to fit your beliefs.
Here is what I said---->>>>
Who is my brother?---->>>>Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother."
Though I do not consider Joseph Prince my "brother" in the Lord because he speaks contrary to the words of God, I still do not hate him personally. Because we are also told to love our enemies as well.
You then implied I said...
See the difference between what I actually said and what you then implied I said?
Matthew 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Oh, please, lest we forget the context of your statement:InSpiritInTruth said:
reneweddaybyday #386 said:
InSpiritInTruth #387 said:
InSpiritInTruth #391 said:
Your Post #387 – that was you implying that Joseph Prince is not your brother and specifically stating "we are also told to love our enemies as well".
So, is Joseph Prince your brother who you are instructed to love in 1 John 4:21?
Or is Joseph Prince your enemy who you are instructed to pray for in Luke 6:27-28?
If you are to pray for Joseph Prince as instructed in Luke 6:27-28:
When has Joseph Prince cursed you?
When has Joseph Prince despitefully used you?
God love ya' reneweddaybyday......he will take you on this every time...he won't admit anything...
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Again, that is what YOU implied. You are trying to build your accusation on what you implied, not what I actually said. (very sneaky)
Any implying is on your part as revealed in your responses (here's one example for you)---->>>>InSpiritInTruth said:
InSpiritInTruth #387 said:
You do not consider Joseph Prince your brother and in the same breath you explain you do not hate him (your words) because you hold to Scripture which states we are to love our enemies as well.
So who implied what and now stands to accuse me? and implies that I did any implying?
Nope. No accusation on my part. And any implication concerning your considering Joseph Prince your enemy is shown in your Post #387.InSpiritInTruth said:
And again, your obfuscation is glaringly obvious.
reneweddaybyday said:
Wonder if we'll ever get an answer to those questions?
Well, dear readers, it's only a matter of time that the hypergracers will win another battle with an opponent. What then, will happen? Nothing new under the sun..... another opponent will stand toe to toe for a set amount of time, & alas, they too will lose.
You can watch this scenario play out enough times that you'll swear they're reading a script.
You can watch this scenario play out enough times that you'll swear they're reading a script.
Gosh sakes, I just don't get it. Even if someone WERE in some error, does that not make them my brother?
Even a teacher is not going to be perfect. Peter had to be called out for an error he was making. His imperfectness did not make him not a brother. And to point out an error of my brother (if he even IS really in error), but to do so without love, makes my error even greater than his error!
We don't get to stop walking in the Spirit and begin to speak arrogantly and brutally to anyone because we think they have some error somewhere. That makes us a Pharisee. And we will be judged in the same manner that we judged them, So if we demanded a perfection from them, then perfection will be demanded from us when we are judged., because God detests unequal scales.
This is a matter of graver consequence than an error or imperfection.
Even a teacher is not going to be perfect. Peter had to be called out for an error he was making. His imperfectness did not make him not a brother. And to point out an error of my brother (if he even IS really in error), but to do so without love, makes my error even greater than his error!
We don't get to stop walking in the Spirit and begin to speak arrogantly and brutally to anyone because we think they have some error somewhere. That makes us a Pharisee. And we will be judged in the same manner that we judged them, So if we demanded a perfection from them, then perfection will be demanded from us when we are judged., because God detests unequal scales.
This is a matter of graver consequence than an error or imperfection.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
This states if a saint does err from the truth,and one convert Him,that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death,and hide a multitude of sins.
1.It is talking about the saints,not the sinners of the world.Saints that have been saved receiving the Spirit,for they are called brethren.
2.That if a saint does err from the truth,that they sin,and a brother does convert him,showing him the error of his way.Notice it says if a brother does convert him,but I thought we were converted when we are saved,and stay that way,but here it states that every time a saint sins,they have erred from the truth,and are not converted when that sin is in their life,and then when they repent,and give it up,they are converted again.
3.When the brother converts the sinner.Notice is states converts the sinner,saying the person that has truly been saved,is a sinner,and needs to be converted to be in a right standing with God,and if they convert that person,they will hide a multitude of sins,for that is what God is against,us doing sin,for sin separates us from God whether we confess Christ or not.
And when he is converted,back right with God,he will have saved a soul from death,which this is not talking death of the flesh,or they will lack having it good on earth,but will still be saved,for they will have saved a soul from death,and the soul is eternal,and not only pertaining to this earth,so he will have saved that soul from being lost for eternity.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
There is no difference between the Old and New Testament in the aspect that we have to abstain from sin,for sin separates us from God whether we confess Jesus or not.
The purpose of Jesus is so we could abstain from sin and have a relationship with God,by causing us to be able to receive the Holy Spirit,for a Spirit led life will not sin,which does not mean they might not sin,but that is the flesh,but by the Spirit they cannot sin.
Every time a person sins,they are not led of the Holy Spirit.
When a person that is saved,received the Spirit,sins,it is not because they could not overcome it,or avoid it,but they wanted to enjoy it,but by the Spirit they could of easily avoided it,so what is the excuse,and we have to repent of that sin,and confess that sin,and not want it anymore,before it can be forgiven.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
When a saint sins,they have erred from the truth,and the blood of Christ cannot take it away,until they repent of that sin,confess that sin,not wanting it anymore,then the blood washes it away.
So Jesus does not take away sins in the future,if we hold unto them,and we do not have to repent of them,which is give them up,for every time a person sins,the blood of Christ does not wash it away,until they repent of that sin,and not want it anymore,so to those who live in sin,not wanting to give it up,the blood of Christ cannot take away that sin,why,because they are exercising the choice to be led of the flesh,and not the Spirit,and those that are in the flesh cannot please God,for every time some has sin not given up,they are in the flesh,for is they were in the Spirit they would not do that.
What is hypergrace again.
There is a 5 step program they have in the grace process,for they are not satisfied with plain old grace,that is not good enough for them,they must have hyper grace.
Phase 1.Grace-the one God actually gave,plain grace,although they still do not get it,but this is their 5 phase program.
Phase 2.Hypergrace-where we are at now,further taking away responsibility from the believer.
Phase 3.Superhypergrace-which should soon come out at a local Church near you.Look for the advertisement in your local newspaper.
Phase 4.Superduperhypergrace-I do not know when it is coming,but it is a coming.They are trying to keep it a secret until the last moment,and then bam spring it on people,like an ambush,to catch them off guard,and surprise them,hoping they will be dumbfounded,and will not know what to say,but admit defeat.
Phase 5.Superduperhypergracewithsugarontop-This one will sweeten the whole series of the 5 phase processes,producing a zombie like effect on the person that can only chant over,and over,faith,faith,faith,and that is enough to ensure salvation,oh,and they have to click their heels 3 times saying there's no place like heaven,3 times a day,oh wait,that would be a work.Oh I am sorry that is that other group of people that believes that is required for salvation.
But I joke about that,but God gives grace,and it is strange that they have to say hypergrace,like regular grace does not cut it.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
This states if a saint does err from the truth,and one convert Him,that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death,and hide a multitude of sins.
1.It is talking about the saints,not the sinners of the world.Saints that have been saved receiving the Spirit,for they are called brethren.
2.That if a saint does err from the truth,that they sin,and a brother does convert him,showing him the error of his way.Notice it says if a brother does convert him,but I thought we were converted when we are saved,and stay that way,but here it states that every time a saint sins,they have erred from the truth,and are not converted when that sin is in their life,and then when they repent,and give it up,they are converted again.
3.When the brother converts the sinner.Notice is states converts the sinner,saying the person that has truly been saved,is a sinner,and needs to be converted to be in a right standing with God,and if they convert that person,they will hide a multitude of sins,for that is what God is against,us doing sin,for sin separates us from God whether we confess Christ or not.
And when he is converted,back right with God,he will have saved a soul from death,which this is not talking death of the flesh,or they will lack having it good on earth,but will still be saved,for they will have saved a soul from death,and the soul is eternal,and not only pertaining to this earth,so he will have saved that soul from being lost for eternity.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
There is no difference between the Old and New Testament in the aspect that we have to abstain from sin,for sin separates us from God whether we confess Jesus or not.
The purpose of Jesus is so we could abstain from sin and have a relationship with God,by causing us to be able to receive the Holy Spirit,for a Spirit led life will not sin,which does not mean they might not sin,but that is the flesh,but by the Spirit they cannot sin.
Every time a person sins,they are not led of the Holy Spirit.
When a person that is saved,received the Spirit,sins,it is not because they could not overcome it,or avoid it,but they wanted to enjoy it,but by the Spirit they could of easily avoided it,so what is the excuse,and we have to repent of that sin,and confess that sin,and not want it anymore,before it can be forgiven.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
When a saint sins,they have erred from the truth,and the blood of Christ cannot take it away,until they repent of that sin,confess that sin,not wanting it anymore,then the blood washes it away.
So Jesus does not take away sins in the future,if we hold unto them,and we do not have to repent of them,which is give them up,for every time a person sins,the blood of Christ does not wash it away,until they repent of that sin,and not want it anymore,so to those who live in sin,not wanting to give it up,the blood of Christ cannot take away that sin,why,because they are exercising the choice to be led of the flesh,and not the Spirit,and those that are in the flesh cannot please God,for every time some has sin not given up,they are in the flesh,for is they were in the Spirit they would not do that.
What is hypergrace again.
There is a 5 step program they have in the grace process,for they are not satisfied with plain old grace,that is not good enough for them,they must have hyper grace.
Phase 1.Grace-the one God actually gave,plain grace,although they still do not get it,but this is their 5 phase program.
Phase 2.Hypergrace-where we are at now,further taking away responsibility from the believer.
Phase 3.Superhypergrace-which should soon come out at a local Church near you.Look for the advertisement in your local newspaper.
Phase 4.Superduperhypergrace-I do not know when it is coming,but it is a coming.They are trying to keep it a secret until the last moment,and then bam spring it on people,like an ambush,to catch them off guard,and surprise them,hoping they will be dumbfounded,and will not know what to say,but admit defeat.
Phase 5.Superduperhypergracewithsugarontop-This one will sweeten the whole series of the 5 phase processes,producing a zombie like effect on the person that can only chant over,and over,faith,faith,faith,and that is enough to ensure salvation,oh,and they have to click their heels 3 times saying there's no place like heaven,3 times a day,oh wait,that would be a work.Oh I am sorry that is that other group of people that believes that is required for salvation.
But I joke about that,but God gives grace,and it is strange that they have to say hypergrace,like regular grace does not cut it.
Nope, you started the implying first here, notice your words here not mine---->>>>
I never stated Joseph Prince was my brother in the first place, nor did I state I hated him either. Here is my response back--->>>>
Who is my brother?---->>>>Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother."
Though I do not consider Joseph Prince my "brother" in the Lord because he speaks contrary to the words of God, I still do not hate him personally. Because we are also told to love our enemies as well.
Notice I also did not say Joseph Prince specifically was my enemy either, but that did not stop you from implying that I did, shown here in your response---->>>>
So we see how deceptive and sneaky people work by implying things others did not actually say, they can then try to lead a conversation into the direction they desire in order to try set a trap they had planned to set from the start, but in this case it was caught, exposed, called out, and has failed. Notice I never said Joseph Prince was my brother, that was implied, and I also never said specifically that Joseph Prince was my enemy, that too was also implied. (very sneaky stuff)
Such a conspiracy theory!
And all because you do not consider Joseph Prince your brother yet you still do not hate him personally because we are told to love our enemies as well.
And you really don't have to love Joseph Prince as instructed in 1 John 4:21 because you do not consider him your brother, nor do you have to love Joseph Prince as instructed in Luke 6:27 because you did not say Joseph Prince specifically was your enemy.
Boy, you have just talked yourself out of following Scripture. Nice job! : |
And all because you do not consider Joseph Prince your brother yet you still do not hate him personally because we are told to love our enemies as well.
And you really don't have to love Joseph Prince as instructed in 1 John 4:21 because you do not consider him your brother, nor do you have to love Joseph Prince as instructed in Luke 6:27 because you did not say Joseph Prince specifically was your enemy.
Boy, you have just talked yourself out of following Scripture. Nice job! : |
Yes, I have witnessed you doing that very thing! Not that you would ever admit it... No, quite the contrary. You defend your false accusations and blame what you read into something on the other person. #36 and http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/142630-life-under-new-covenant-2.html
Did I say that, or YOU? ROFL!!! Nope, I did not say that either, the above is just more of your own implied misrepresentations meant to falsely accuse. Here is what I said--->>>
I think you hyper gracer's must have screw or two loose, and perhaps an evil spirit causing you to act this way?
Yea, I nailed you good on that one! In post #22 I exposed your implied and misleading statements in red. Do you guys go to same school of deception to learn these deceptive tactics, or does it just come natural to you?
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