Did Jesus save those who ultimately hated Him?

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sawdust

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John 7:6-10
6 Then Jesus said to them: My time is not yet come; but your time is always ready. 7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth: because I give testimony of it, that the works thereof are evil. 8 Go you up to this festival day, but I go not up to this festival day: because my time is not accomplished. 9 When he had said these things, he himself stayed in Galilee. 10 But after his brethren were gone up, then he also went up to the feast, not openly, but, as it were, in secret.

John 15:16-20
16 You have not chosen me: but I have chosen you; and have appointed you, that you should go, and should bring forth fruit; and your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another. 18 If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. 19 If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also.
If they refuse to acknowledge He is the truth, they will not be saved. Christ died for our sin, not our salvation. His death does not automatically save people but it does remove the barrier of sin for all so that no-one has an excuse. Now the question of "who do you say I am?" can be answered without disqualification because of sin. One either answers "you are Lord and Saviour or go to hell".
 
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John 7:6-10
6 Then Jesus said to them: My time is not yet come; but your time is always ready. 7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth: because I give testimony of it, that the works thereof are evil. 8 Go you up to this festival day, but I go not up to this festival day: because my time is not accomplished. 9 When he had said these things, he himself stayed in Galilee. 10 But after his brethren were gone up, then he also went up to the feast, not openly, but, as it were, in secret.

John 15:16-20
16 You have not chosen me: but I have chosen you; and have appointed you, that you should go, and should bring forth fruit; and your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another. 18 If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. 19 If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also.
Jesus died for all people. But salvation demands faith in who Christ is and what Christ has done. If they reject/hate Jesus then they will go to Hell and eventually the Lake of Fire.
 
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Hell is for those who ultimately hate Jesus.
Therefore you claim to believe and do believe god in you, correct, that is what I hear through you. You have had troubles, and have gotten berated over believing correct? And now you have angst and are choosing who believes and who does not and forcing your view on others, being hurt from others, now hurting yourself over it.

I understand, no one wants harm and yet everyone does harm trying to protect themselves. And end up for a while, might be a short while or a long while Doing it themselves program within them and in not feeling accepted by others, then develop a scenario in the self and claim they got it and others do not , unless they agree with you.

All first born flesh is this way. The hardest part is: to let go of the self protection from harm ever to happen to any person, especially once it has happened to them once.
I am trusting this, you will stop and in prayer ask God fro the whole truth while in the midst of troubles here on earth, people you love dying, others, stealing and killing and doing wrong, and be accountable to God for yule own wrongs ever one in the past, that you have repented of, and some still trouble you.
"You are not alone"
So, hopefully we all can begin to encourage one another to this new life of Love and mercy for all, no more hating to anyone, as I see only Father and Son can do that frist for me to respond to and you too, thank you
 
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Therefore you claim to believe and do believe god in you, correct, that is what I hear through you. You have had troubles, and have gotten berated over believing correct? And now you have angst and are choosing who believes and who does not and forcing your view on others, being hurt from others, now hurting yourself over it.

I understand, no one wants harm and yet everyone does harm trying to protect themselves. And end up for a while, might be a short while or a long while Doing it themselves program within them and in not feeling accepted by others, then develop a scenario in the self and claim they got it and others do not , unless they agree with you.

All first born flesh is this way. The hardest part is: to let go of the self protection from harm ever to happen to any person, especially once it has happened to them once.
I am trusting this, you will stop and in prayer ask God fro the whole truth while in the midst of troubles here on earth, people you love dying, others, stealing and killing and doing wrong, and be accountable to God for yule own wrongs ever one in the past, that you have repented of, and some still trouble you.
"You are not alone"
So, hopefully we all can begin to encourage one another to this new life of Love and mercy for all, no more hating to anyone, as I see only Father and Son can do that frist for me to respond to and you too, thank you
:love:You are not fooling Jesus Christ.:love: Jesus does not save those who ultimately hate Him.:love:
 
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Too bad for those who ultimately hate Jesus.

21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for you shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for you shall laugh. 22 Blessed shall you be when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. 23 Be glad in that day and rejoice; for behold, your reward is great in heaven. For according to these things did their fathers to the prophets. 24 But woe to you that are rich: for you have your consolation. 25 Woe to you that are filled: for you shall hunger. Woe to you that now laugh: for you shall mourn and weep.
 

DavidLamb

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No, hell is for the devil and his angels.
Well, Jesus said:

“"And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Mt 25:40-41 NKJV)
 

DavidLamb

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The greatest hater of Jesus in human form was Saul and he didn't go to Hell like the Op is claiming. Nope, he had a name change and wrote 2/3 of the New Testament. And is currently in Heaven.
But Saul/Paul was converted. He didn't remain a hater of Jesus, or to use the thread's title, he did not ultimately hat Jesus. Incidentally, he didn't have a name change. Saul was his Hebrew name, and Paul was his Roman name (remember, he had Roman citizenship.)
 
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But Saul/Paul was converted. He didn't remain a hater of Jesus, or to use the thread's title, he did not ultimately hat Jesus. Incidentally, he didn't have a name change. Saul was his Hebrew name, and Paul was his Roman name (remember, he had Roman citizenship.)
Paul/Saul interesting Paul's Roman name and Saul's Hebrew name, informational, I never connected that before, do now, thank you from God through you
 
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Well, Jesus said:

“"And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Mt 25:40-41 NKJV)
The Devil's minions also go to hell.
 
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The greatest hater of Jesus in human form was Saul and he didn't go to Hell like the Op is claiming. Nope, he had a name change and wrote 2/3 of the New Testament. And is currently in Heaven.
Not sure the OP is claiming Paul went to Hell, might be claiming definitely deserved to go there, I know I deserve to go there and am counting on God in risen Son for me that my, all sin is forgiven by God Father through Son for me too as claimed in 1 John 2:1-27 the gift wins over works t me anyways.
I assuredly am not perfect and by me I see and know "I" can't do it, "I" tried fruitlessly and yet thought I got fruit form other flesh and blood and did, here on earth.
I saw to not sit in Moses's seat any longer and only get rewards from people, in others seeing me do good work and be rewarded from others. I assuredly do not want to be rewarded from people and be in pride over it and lose my own soul, anyone else?
 

Jimbone

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No one comes to Jesus unless the father calls them. He will call whom he will. Even those who hate him.
I'd even go as far as saying He can only call those who hate Him, because we are all born in that condition. The only way we can come out of that position is by His power and draw. I know this is a bare bones take and absent any kind of nuance, but in the most simple and straight forward way of thinking and in general terms, God can only call those who hate Him. I know I did in my younger days. I would claim "I'm an atheist", yet would cuss at Him and claim to hate Him when life got hard, emotions ran high, and everything hit the fan. I do agree with you on this 100%.