Did Paul cancel the 1 19th Psalm?

[posthuman]

Open my eyes that I may see​

Wonderful things in your law!
(Psalm 119:18) ​

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Search the scriptures; ​

for in them ye think ye have eternal life: ​

and they are they which testify of Me.
(Psalm 5:39)​

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And He will be called Wonderful
(Isaiah 9:6)​

 

[posthuman]

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me.
(Psalm 5:39)

John 5:39...

Srry psalms on the brain haha

 

[Grandpa]

Then it would follow that the 10 commandments are not of the Lord. I don't see how that could be possible.

Either we can rely on scripture as truth or we can't rely on it. If something isn't truth, then we can't rely on any of it. If I have seen discrepancies in scripture I feel it is more reliable than my understanding, so I make a search until I understand.

Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Then you can't reconcile this scripture or probably understand it. Do you just figure its not even scripture?

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Nehemiah6]

God is eternal and His principles are eternal.

And yet He made the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses) TEMPORARY. Kindly read and study Hebrews and BELIEVE IT. If you don't believe it, you really don't believe God and Christ. And the Ten Commandments are integrated into the New Covenant.

 

[JaumeJ]

gOD'S WILL IS ETERNAL, AND IT IS WIRTTEN His law is etrnal…………….I believe so, in the Psalms. Grnted the lion's portion are no longer feasible since theree is no Israel on earth, no nation headeed by God, not Tmeple, no rites or trituals, and no more ned for any kind of sacrifice for sin because of our Savior. pSALM 119 ASSURES US OF gOD'S MANDATESSS, AND BECAUSE I BELIEV Jesus, Yeshua, I undersgtns how this is even under graqce. Take off any veil of Moses you may have and see the light shed by Jesus.

 

[Deuteronomy]

When the temple was destroyed ... Before that destruction there were no rabbis, no synagogues.

Hi Blik, which temple destruction are you referring to? Solomon's in 587 BC? Herod's in 70 AD?

Thanks!

~Deut

 

[dcontroversal]

Different covenants.......and the righteousness of Christ which satisfies the requirements of the law is IMPUTED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW!!!

 

[Blik]

And yet He made the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses) TEMPORARY. Kindly read and study Hebrews and BELIEVE IT. If you don't believe it, you really don't believe God and Christ. And the Ten Commandments are integrated into the New Covenant.

God does not say that He cancelled anything that God says. It is man's idea that God is not true. The old covenant told of how God related to man and the new covenant tells of relating the same but in a new way. God is not "old" and "new" in any way. God's purpose for us, everything about God is eternal, God in one.

The laws that God created when God created us and the world are the same always. The 10 commandments as given are a way to live the love of the Lord. If they are obeyed without love they are obeyed in a wrong way. The fleshly commands like circumcision and diet orders were given to help them with eternal law, they were often called the law of Moses, but are not part of those eternal laws.

These are things that Hebrews tells us. Hebrews is of God and God is the same from beginning of scripture to the end.

 

[JaumeJ]

God does not say that He cancelled anything that God says. It is man's idea that God is not true. The old covenant told of how God related to man and the new covenant tells of relating the same but in a new way. God is not "old" and "new" in any way. God's purpose for us, everything about God is eternal, God in one.

The laws that God created when God created us and the world are the same always. The 10 commandments as given are a way to live the love of the Lord. If they are obeyed without love they are obeyed in a wrong way. The fleshly commands like circumcision and diet orders were given to help them with eternal law, they were often called the law of Moses, but are not part of those eternal laws.

These are things that Hebrews tells us. Hebrews is of God and God is the same from beginning of scripture to the end.

May all read your post, it is ss
Spirit-filled. God bless you an thank you.

 

[Blik]

Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Then you can't reconcile this scripture or probably understand it. Do you just figure its not even scripture?

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

In the second chapter of Galatians Paul is speaking about circumcision as a law, and we know that it is not the cutting of flesh they looked at as law that was God's law of circumcision.

As Romans tells us we accept Christ paying for our sin, so we take on the life of sin free life through Christ. Sin brings death, Christ brings life.

 

[Blik]

May all read your post, it is ss
Spirit-filled. God bless you an thank you.

Thanks. May the Lord bless and keep you, may the Lord make His face shine on you, and give you peace.

 

[Grandpa]

In the second chapter of Galatians Paul is speaking about circumcision as a law, and we know that it is not the cutting of flesh they looked at as law that was God's law of circumcision.

As Romans tells us we accept Christ paying for our sin, so we take on the life of sin free life through Christ. Sin brings death, Christ brings life.

So the law of circumcision was done away?

Instead of physical flesh cutting it turned into spiritual circumcision of the heart?

When did this happen? Did it happen to any more of the law?

 

[Dan58]

I understand that when scripture speaks of “under the law” it means using the law for our salvation and does not tell us to ignore the law for our guidance. When scripture tells us we are under grace, my understanding is that we are saved by the grace of the Lord, and has nothing to do with our need to obey God. Do you think this is wrong?

Grace did not nullify the law per se, it just removed the curse of the law. Paul explained that in the previous verses; "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe" (Galatians 3: 21&22). Faith is still demonstrated by obeying his commandments, we are saved by Grace and rewarded by faith.

 

[Blik]

So the law of circumcision was done away?

Instead of physical flesh cutting it turned into spiritual circumcision of the heart?

When did this happen? Did it happen to any more of the law?

That is the heart of what this discussion is of law is all about. God gave rituals to help man understand and obey the law, and the rituals were not the law. We have the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost to help us.

Because these rituals were sometimes called the law of Moses people get it mixed up with the eternal law, speaking against God's eternal laws. On top of that they bring up that those with Christ have forgiveness from sin available, so sin has no power over them for death.

People add this all up and now, in our churches we don't find people living with Christ in their hearts or putting sin behind them. and like Paul often says "God forbid".

So the law of circumcision was done away?

Instead of physical flesh cutting it turned into spiritual circumcision of the heart?

When did this happen? Did it happen to any more of the law?

An understanding of this would be the answer to all our discussions about law. They were to help people understand God and to lead them. That changed when we were all given the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to lead us instead. Christ told us about this when Christ gave his commentary on the law at the sermon of the mount.

Physical actions are the necessary results of our faith, as I and Paul keep saying, but physical actions to remind us of law that 1st century Christians sometimes called Law of Moses are not God's eternal law. God's eternal law is eternal, like God is.

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa said:


So the law of circumcision was done away?

Instead of physical flesh cutting it turned into spiritual circumcision of the heart?

When did this happen? Did it happen to any more of the law?

That is the heart of what this discussion is of law is all about. .

Yes I agree.

So when did this happen? Did it happen to any more of the law or just the "law" of circumcision?

This is what I was talking about when I said that there were 2 different laws being spoken of in psalm 119 and Galatians.

Galatians is speaking of the 10 commandments. The ministry of death.

Psalm 119 is talking about the Law of the Lord.

2 entirely different laws. But legalists don't know it.

 

[Blik]

Grandpa said:


So the law of circumcision was done away?

Instead of physical flesh cutting it turned into spiritual circumcision of the heart?

When did this happen? Did it happen to any more of the law?



Yes I agree.

So when did this happen? Did it happen to any more of the law or just the "law" of circumcision?

This is what I was talking about when I said that there were 2 different laws being spoken of in psalm 119 and Galatians.

Galatians is speaking of the 10 commandments. The ministry of death.

Psalm 119 is talking about the Law of the Lord.

2 entirely different laws. But legalists don't know it.

I think the ten commandments are directly from God, they all tell of ways we can make God's love come alive. If they are done legalistically, or without love, they are changed by humans into laws that are not of love, but the law itself is Godly I think.

Paul is just impossible, I could shake him. He doesn't tell us when he is speaking of the oral traditions that Jews at the time even called the law of Moses and the real Law of the Lord. What I do to try to get them straight is to keep in mind the ways of the Lord and what God tells us in other chapters and fit Paul's speaking of law fit into the eternal way of the Lord.

I think that it has always been so that the rituals God gave man has always been just that: rituals. They have been a help to man, but are not eternal law and never was. I think it changed when people didn't need rituals any longer but the rituals were replaced at Pentecost. Jews still use them as a means to keep God as part of every part of living and it works for them. The rituals aren't what work, but keeping God as part of everything they do works. For them it includes eating, washing their hands, going to bed, waking---everything every day. It just doesn't save.

 

[Dino246]

I wonder why Blik keeps arguing that because God doesn't change, the law is still in effect, when it is patently obvious that He HAS CHANGED how He interacts with Israel. He no longer expects, nor even accepts, sacrifices of animals for sin.

Since He has changed that, is it so hard to see that He has also changed other aspects of His interaction with humanity?

 

[SIMON55]

Psalm 119:1-2 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.​

Gal. 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I understand that when scripture speaks of “under the law” it means using the law for our salvation and does not tell us to ignore the law for our guidance. When scripture tells us we are under grace, my understanding is that we are saved by the grace of the Lord, and has nothing to do with our need to obey God. Do you think this is wrong?

Many posts say the law is cancelled, I hope that answers to this thread will make their position clear. If the law is cancelled, so is the 119th Psalm.

Many posters say the law has been cancelled, but if it has been cancelled then the 119th Psalm is not truth. We are told in this psalm that the law is eternal.

We know many things in the OT has been changed, just as Christ is the innocent blood that was symbolized in the OT. It is now wrong to use animal blood as a symbol for Christ. It is required, however, that we learn what the animal blood did so we better understand what Christ does for us for now Christ is the innocent blood.

The form of innocent blood shed was changed, was the law changed? Is it wrong to belief in the 119th Psalm as scripture?

 

[SIMON55]

Paul was a Sheriff of the law but then on the road to Damascus he was blinded by an outlaw and his sight held hostage until he agreed to switch sides......
Later on he relented....but dont come at me if you dont have a sense of humor....
because he contradicts himself a lot in Timothy...
in Cor. 15 he writes we must put on an immortal body then in Timothy 6:16 he says only God is immortal.... so .....I think that Paul guy wrote so much he forgot some of what he said.....
Of course you know he had that thorn thing going on and people trying to bash him in the head with rocks so.....you have to cut him a little slack

 

[SIMON55]

I think the ten commandments are directly from God, they all tell of ways we can make God's love come alive. If they are done legalistically, or without love, they are changed by humans into laws that are not of love, but the law itself is Godly I think.

Paul is just impossible, I could shake him. He doesn't tell us when he is speaking of the oral traditions that Jews at the time even called the law of Moses and the real Law of the Lord. What I do to try to get them straight is to keep in mind the ways of the Lord and what God tells us in other chapters and fit Paul's speaking of law fit into the eternal way of the Lord.

I think that it has always been so that the rituals God gave man has always been just that: rituals. They have been a help to man, but are not eternal law and never was. I think it changed when people didn't need rituals any longer but the rituals were replaced at Pentecost. Jews still use them as a means to keep God as part of every part of living and it works for them. The rituals aren't what work, but keeping God as part of everything they do works. For them it includes eating, washing their hands, going to bed, waking---everything every day. It just doesn't save.

Are you threatening Paul with violence ? lol.....
What do you expect from the guy he was a lawman then an outlaw split his identity and people started trying to bash his head in with rocks and he had a thorn in his side.....
Is it any wonder he suffered from lack of clarity at times and was prone to contradiction? Considering it all his insight was pretty good and he understood the spirit of Adoption.